13 Univ. of Iowa Players— 1 From Md.—Hospitalized

BALTIMORE (WJZ)–More than a dozen college football players are hospitalized—all suffering from muscle damage. One of those players is from Baltimore, and his father—a local football coach—wants to know what happened.

Kai Jackson explains the case is now under investigation.

An investigation is underway to determine what made the players sick. Yet the manner and number that became ill is raising concerns about supplements.

A scare for players on the University of Iowa football team and their families. Thirteen athletes went to the hospital after what’s being described as an intense workout.

Now doctors believe the players came down with a condition known as rhabdomyolsis.  

“Rhabdomyolsis happens when you have a breakdown of the muscle tissue,” said Dr. James Williams, St. Joseph Medical Center.

Williams says rhabdomyolisis combined with dehydration and the possibility of supplements is dangerous.

“You have muscle breakdown from intense workouts. You have dehydration and then supplements which are nephrotoxic are damaging to the kidneys directly. That’s a perfect storm for kidney failure,” Williams said.

One of those players is from Maryland. Jim Poggi is a linebacker for the Hawkeyes. His father Biff coaches Gilman’s football team where Jim once played.

“Obviously when your son’s admitted to the hospital that’s concerning,” Biff Poggi said.

It’s unclear whether the football players were actually taking supplements. An investigation will have to make that determination.

Experts say those who use creatine and other supplements are taking a risk.

“We can’t guarantee the effect of supplements. We don’t even know if they even work, but we do know they’re dangerous,” said Mike Gimbel, Powered By Me.

The players are doing well and responding to treatment. Overall muscle soreness and dark-colored urine are a couple of the symptoms they suffered.

The Iowa Board of Regents is giving the university 90 days to complete its investigation into the incident.

  • moleman

    A full investigation is needed here, this story reeks of abuse / coverup.

    • mitch52

      Whats with the shills and taodies for Big Pharma here? Pharma drugs are the number 3 cause of death in this country every year. Hundreds of Thousands of people. If a supplement causes any harm it is banned whether it should heve been or not. Where are the hundreds of Thousands of people dying from supplements? Tryptophan is a harmless amino acid, very effective on insomnia. Some factory in Mexico made a contaminated batch and a several people died. Tryptophan gets outlawed. That makes as much sense as outlawing eggs because of the factory problems earlier this year. But of course there is too much money to be made in Pharma insomnia drugs so Tryptophan must go. Just one example, there are more. Enjoy your drugs instead of eating and living healthy and taking supplements.

      • Si

        The #3 cause of death in this country? Where are you getting your statistics, Mitchie? Pulling them from where the sun don’t shine? Pharmaceutical companies are heavily regulated and monitored by the FDA. The requirements to prove safety, quality, purity and efficacy of FDA-regulated pharmaceuticals are actually quite rigorous. Manufacturing controls are among the highest of any industry. You might want to look into this before spouting off spurious statistics and unfounded nonsense. And enough of this “FDA is so tough on supplements and not drugs” garbage (seen in several statements above). Have any of you heard of Meridia? Vioxx? Avandia?

      • FDJ

        Are you trying to defend the FDA by bringing up Vioxx? Seriously? 28,000 people died from Vioxx and you’re using that as an example of how awesome the FDA is?

    • Chris

      Once again lazy reporters are not doing their research. Rhabdomyolisis is actually caused by extreme overtraining. This is definitely VERY possible for people (like athletes) who have highly developed cardio-vascular systems and a very high lactic acid tolerance. What happens is very intensive exercise designed to generate intense muscle fatigue, coupled with a very strong endurance can cause a person to wear out the proteins in their muscles so rapidly the shredded proteins end up clogging the kidneys as they body attempts to process them compounded by exhausting already degraded muscle proteins creating a cascade of excess proteins in the blood, causing rhabdomyolisis.
      Its very hard for an unfit person to contract this condition because they simply can’t work out hard enough to get to this point, but a well conditioned athlete can and are prone to this very extreme overtraining condition.

      Its actually one of the many ways that somebody can simply die of exhaustion.

      Somebody is covering for this over-zealous coach, who essentially almost worked his team to death with overly-intensive workouts coupled with too little recovery-time and showing care to the health of his athletes. The players complained of “the hardest workouts of my life.” That should be a huge tip off that overtraining is to blame.

      • Man Among Sheeple

        So it couldn’t POSSIBLY be supplements. Wow, thanks for the clarification.

        Once again, someone didn’t even do enough research to know how to spell rhabdomyolysis. A player or player’s subjective remarks about the nature of the workouts means a lot less than the comments of the doctor who noted that 13 cases of rhabdomyolysis all at once was essentially unheard of in his 32 years experience.

    • Andy

      Dr. James Williams shoujld lose his license and go to prison for his criminal irresponsibility in blaming supplements for somehting they can’t do, when the problejm is clearly that some idiot doctor prescribed statins to these players.

      Statins DO cause rhabdomyelosis – in people who do not work out. It is a well known risk of taking them. Football players and bodybuilders routinely have high cholesterol as part of their body’s adaptation to strength exercise – this is normal and not unhealthy. THey are routinely offered statins by doctors like Dr. James WIlliams who don’t actually know anything about medicine. Most know to decline statins so they don’t get sick (with rhabdomyelosis) from them. Apparently the football players were too young and inexperienced to know this.

      • Smart Andy

        On which quack website did you read this nonsense? Your post is purified stupidity.

    • Al

      Suppliments didn’t cause this problem!!! Its an isolated incident. I’ve been taking bobybuilding suppliments for 30 years without side effects. Millions of people have been taking suppliments for decades without mass outbreaks of ‘dark urine” and “muscle damage”. Med doctors are all idiots.

    • some coach

      most likely the coach ran them into the ground on a hot summer day and didnt think a five minute water-break would be manly.
      creatine is fairly safe but does require the athlete to stay hydrated. but that should be common sense to a decent coach.
      its funny, supplements get the demon end of the stick as far as safety concerns but pharmaceutical companies and food makers seem to get a free pass on testing and regulation(shrugs)

      • John C

        “most likely the coach ran them into the ground on a hot summer day”

        Summer’s been over for more than four months – it wouldn’t take that long for symptoms to show up. It’s much more likely the coach didn’t give adequate time to warm up in cold weather, increasing the risk of muscle injury during vigorous exercise. It’s unlikely that a creatine supplement would cause muscle soreness under any conditions.

      • docwilly

        you have no idea about testing in the Pharma industry nor the safety standards expected and enforces. Try saying something intelligent

      • JK

        Ran them into the ground on a “hot summer day”? Really, it’s like 20 below in Iowa right now and i doube the indoor practice facility is that hot.

      • Cornfed

        They practice in an indoor facility. Not hot, but not cold either. I’m sure they’re sweating plenty and dehydration could easily occur. But that’s not the issue, really. The issue are these supplements. Don’t blame the coaches. Players take stuff all the time behind their coaches’ backs. I guarantee it — the players will admit to having taken some supplement, and they will say the coaches had no knowledge.

      • Andrew

        “It’s unclear whether the football players were actually taking supplements.” LOL. This is a completely anti-supplement story. The whole story points the finger at supplements, then admits there is no evidence. What BS! And to the guy who libertarians want regulate bedroom and worshipping activities, you are an ignorant, big-mouthed moron. Use a dictionary, tool.

      • Dave

        There are no hot summer days in mid January in Iowa. You might need a little geography lesson.

      • Jesse

        They were doing 100 squats with 225 lbs followed by sled pulls for time.

        And doctors are wondering why they got Rhabdo? Gimme a break.

      • Joe Schmoe

        When have pharmas ever gotten a pass?

      • some non-coach

        It’s Winter…. even in Iowa. They’re in the hospital now.

      • Sincerely Yours

        It’s wintertime – not a hot summer day. At least it is in Iowa. Not sure about where you live.

      • John

        Guess what? Traditional ‘pharma companies’ aren’t the ones making these over-the-counter supplements used by athletes. But don’t let facts get in the way of your (baseless) finger pointing. But nice try, lib.

      • Colin

        I don’t think there are many hot summer days in Iowa City during the month of January.

      • Bog & Bam

        Guess what? Traditional ‘pharma companies’ aren’t the ones making these over-the-counter supplements used by athletes. But don’t let facts get in the way of your (baseless) finger pointing. But nice try, lib.

        Lib? yeh, sure , he’s a Libertarian, who doesn’t want anything regulated except sex in the bedroom and what God you pray to.

      • Tom M.

        That is because the FDA and the drug companies routinely hire each others ex-employees……

      • LSBrew

        You are an idiot.

      • Mike

        The suppliments are not covered by any type of regul;ation as they are considered “food”..The companys don’t even have to list all the ingredients not the amount contained in each. Different batches of the same product my contain differing amounts of chemicals.
        The Nutritional Suppliments are not safe and should be taken off the market.

      • sharky

        Isn’t it the middle of winter?

      • Marcus

        most likely Iowa is in the northern hemisphere of our planet… most likely it’s kinda cold there right now. where are you from?

      • Don

        To all of you that are dismissing that it is the middle of winter; as a Marine, I can tell you we had more cases of dehydration in the winter than during the summer. Your conditioned to drink more when it’s hot and your sweating. But during a 5 mile run during the winter, the air cools your body and you don’t feel a need to drink as much.

      • Chris Richardson

        You’re kidding, right? It takes a minimum of $100M just to get FDA approval for a new prescription drug.

      • Rob

        bs supplements are not investigatef unless tjere is a problem, regular pharmaceuticals get testing prior to release. pharmaceutical n food makers are also subject to inspections for safety

      • Holly

        A hot summer day in Iowa in January??? Obviously, you have never lived in Iowa or you have no idea where it is on the map! Besides the fact that they have been doing this same workout for years and yet nothing like this has happened before. Plus 13 players at one time which is extremely odd. My guess is that they will find that all of these players were taking something to enhance their workouts. Hopefully, they will all recover and become wiser about what they put into their body.

      • Richard

        Coach you are right. Creatine has been studied fairly extensively and it’s safe when taken in moderation. Even aspirin when taken in heavy doses is bad for you. I’ve studied supplement use for years and they are safe when taken correctly.

    • Rick Price

      When did Pharmas get a pass??? Get real! They own the companies that test the drugs they want to make billions off of. Mostly the ones you see mentioned in class action suits on daytime and late night TV.

      Most supplements are completely safe IF taken as directed. Pharma and the FDA take any opportunity to demonize these guys so that they can control the whole pie. More power and $$$$ for them if you have to buy expensive patented supplements.

    • Rick Price

      As far as the coach running them into the ground? Not likely. Most coaches understand the supplements they use and the risks. They also understand the terms intense and extreme workouts usually mean insane. I’d look at the players involved and the one shot they get at making pro. Add that to the 300 page monthly supplement ads that pass for ‘muscle mags’ where steroid loaded freaks demonstrate their own intense workout to rapidly build your own (insert body part here). Most of these workouts would kill the subject of the article, much less a non-juicing college athlete (they were tested for steroids, right?). Not the fault of the supplements or the coach. Look at the players, what they read and their dreams.

    • ask

      STOP DRUG USE IN SPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • James Comer

        @ask, you should ask for a brain, if you read down into the story as it’s clear that MOST did not… you will see that this is much ado about NOTHING….it is stated that it is not even known if they athletes took any supplements…. and “they probably did” doesn’t count if you think that. This is nothing more than a ploy to grease the skids for ” you people” who don’t read the details when a new bill or plan sounds good because of it’s name… this is meant to get you to support Codex Alimentarius which is a very very VERY bad thing…

    • Dave

      Supplements are unlikely to be the cause. A more likely scenario is overtraining without proper hydration and nutrition. As triathlete, who often pushes the body to the extremes; I have leaned to properly hydrate and nourish my body before during and after such works. I have never had any issue relating to muscle breakdown or dehydration like the players from IOWA experienced. I would suggest football trainers start learning how to properly train their players. Working out to pure exhaustion is counterproductive and will actually make the player weaker.

    • dave

      First lets not blame LEGAL QUALITY SUPPLEMENTS. This is not the problem. Never has been and never will be. If anything the use of creatine may have prevented this from happening.
      As for blaming players it is possible for 2 reasons. One they may be taking ILLEGAL DRUGS which is more likely than supplements. Or two these players have no clue on proper nutrition for an athlete.
      Which brings me to the real problem THE COACHES. The workout routines they are handed, the concepts they have pushed for years and their complete ignorant lack of knowledge on exercise, muscular function, and nutrition is absolutely scary.
      I am sure some coaches are good and have the knowledge but they are the minority. The weight training techniques alone perscribed to the players by these coaches are AN ABSOLUTE JOKE and cause more back and hip damage than is needed. As one simple example most coaches do not focus their football players on the deadlift. This one mistake alone is INSANE it is simply the most important and effective excercise for football yet they can’t wrap their tiny useless brains around this.

    • amateur bodybuilder

      Exertional Rhabdomyolysis – do a web search – it’s not uncommon. To blame it on “supplements” is irresponsible. Creatine is one of the most well-studied and proven safe. It is NOT nephrotoxic. When it comes to evil “supplements”, one well-known supplement – your basic post workout protein drink – has actually been shown to prevent exertional Rhabdo.

  • bmorehoney

    I would expect that his father and also a football coach would have instilled into his son the proper way to train and the dangers of drugs and supplements. Unless, of course, this is not being taught in high school or by their parents.

    • Jim M

      It is possible that the players were given banned and/or dangerous “supplements” and told they were vitamins or nutrients. It cold also be they were given something to lessen the pain and increase the intensity of the workouts, again without their knowledge.
      My bet is Iowa football gets the ‘death penalty’ from this one.

  • Joseph

    Maybe they raided DJK’s medicine cabinet?

    • Reed

      I am from Iowa City, and attend UI, and I got to say… that’s just funny! Good comment man! :)

    • Sheila

      You can die from drinking too much water, would they ban that also?

      • famca

        Common sense would teach us not to ingest substances which can cause harm when used incorrectly. You can die from drinking too much alcohol, but we needn’t ban alcohol, because it has been used for thousands of years without TOO much harm. ( Some might differ)

        Substances like creatine have too short a track record to make a determination. There’s no regulation of such substances, say by the FDA, so there’s only what knowledge we can glean from public sources, and there’s no general consensus on their safety or efficacy. So you places your money and takes your chances.

        I have no problem with that, because I don’t believe in nanny state government. But would I take a so-called natural substances just because they’re available? No way!

  • Dat_Truth

    Creatine is a naturl substance found in meat. I’ve been using it for over 10 years everyday. Anyone that is worked out hard and isn’t drinking enough fluid will get this stype of sickness. Don’t blame a safe substance because some coaches don’t understand proper training.

    • Jim M

      Just eat meat-why take a chance some company is packaging this in a safe to take manor?

    • Kevin

      They will blame the supplement and some congressman will rush towards a tv microphone somewhere, and tell everyone how he has introduced legislation to ban Creatine. I also use Creatine, responsibly, and enjoy the excellent results it help to give. I have heard there are now some “concentrated forms of Creatine on the market. I read of this same problem with some high school football team not so long ago, as well.

      • Kelvin

        What, then, would be the questions the good doctor would ask when this number of people show up at his ER? It’s not like they went for a summer marathon in Death Valley. The athletes and coaches simply forgot to bring water?

    • chuck

      The substance isn’t “safe.” There’s a tremendous difference between consuming meat, which indeed contains some creatine (which is mostly destroyed during cooking), and consuming a significant amount of isolated creatine as a supplement. Just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s harmless, especially in much higher dosages than the body is able to handle. Hyper-supplementation is a problem in and of itself; hydration during even intense exercise is a separate issue, one which is unlikely to result in such a large population immediately experiencing kidney failure of any sort. There may be a combination of factors involved, but these kids should NOT be using creatine or other alleged performance-enhancing supplements (especially from idiots who tell them that they’re natural and therefore safe).

      • Dr Cadbury

        Here lies the problem when you have people commenting on topics way beyond their expertise.

        Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of skeletal muscle tissue. This can be due to extensive trauma (eg; a car crash) but in this situation it was caused by demanding exercise. It is more common in poorly conditioned people and/or those that have had a long layoff (ie; what we’ve seen here), because this predisposes people to doing more muscular damage (eg; poor technique, greater fatigue, greater injury risk, etc).

        Rhabdomyolysis releases the cellular constituents of skeletal muscle tissue into the blood stream, notably myoglobin and creatine kinase (NB: this is NOT creatine or a supplement). Myoglobin is nephrotoxic and that is what has caused the kidney damage seen in some of the players, especially when you couple that with impaired kidney function following dehydration. Creatine kinase is normally found in muscle cells and it is released following muscle damage, it itself doesn’t cause damage but it is used as a diagnostic marker.

        Supplement use most certainly did not cause what we see here and the players would have experienced what they did whether they took supplements or not. As for the safety of said supplements, things like whey protein and creatine are the most ‘proven’ and safest supplements out there – they have been used for decades by millions and despite that there is no evidence that they can cause harm in healthy people.

        Before anybody tries to call me out I suggest that they look up ‘Rhabdomyolysis’ in a pathology or general medicine textbook.

      • Dat_Truth

        Creatine is safe. Otherwise the hundreds of thousands of people that use it would be filling the hospitals. They are not. Creatine signals muscles to uptake more water, and therefore you drink more water.

      • thinksbeforespeaks

        Creatine, when used properly, IS safe. It is also the most studied sport’s supplement on the market.


    • Kristin

      Agreed! This condition is caused by overworking and lack of proper attention to the trainee by the trainer. Nothing to do with any supplements, especially creatine. I’m so sick of people blaming supplements for everything. The FDA wants to ban supps so that we are forced to turn to Rx meds. Heck, they don’t even know if they were taking supps, so why even bring it up here? Oh yeah, to strike fear into the hearts of Americans. Oh, we need more regulation! NOT.

  • Rich T.

    People are absolute idiots for connecting supplementation to this……geez….just another way for the Government to now come in and bad any and all supplements, even vitamins, minerals, amino acids etc etc…bunch of BS…..especially considering the toxic agents the Pharma companies manufacture and our doctors prescribe for us are way way worse….

    • SFC Dunbar

      I totally agree. Ive been using Creatine in moderation for years and it has done nothing but bring me health, mentally as well as physically. Im 48 going on 27! work out regularly as an Army Master Fitness trainer. Remember the gal who drank herself to death with water last year on a radio contest- anyone crying fowl over water being bad for you? NOT! because it comes down to “moderation”. Anytime you abuse anything, you are going to face the possibility of suffering side effects. Supplements dont kill people, people who abuse supplements kill themselves` Have a great Army day

      • Steve

        Great Comment, SFC Dunbar – And “THANK YOU” for serving your (and my) Country! Sounds like you do it well.

        Rome, GA

      • Grimriffer

        Don’t matter. All the gubmint hears is a chance to bring all supplements and “natural foods” under the control of the FDA. That way they can keep the citizenry unhealthy and dependent on big pharma. All they’ll have to do is declair a vitamin or mineral dangerous and it will immidiately be illegal to have or consume. Its about population control and keeping their foot on your neck. I hope and am sure that you, SFC Dunbar, remember who it is you fight for. The American people, NOT the government.

      • Kevin

        Totally appreciate your service. I wholeheartedly agree with proper use of the supplement Creatine, as it is a natural substance, and when used responsibly and properly helps one achieve greater fitness.

        I always worry about the government using these types of hyped up news stories as the basis to launch a congressional “investigation/hearing”. They do this to grandstand on a current event, and also I believe they often propose legislation so they can sell exemptions to “special” companies whose product they find a way in their legislation to exempt. That, I believe, is the reason for the complexity of the US tax code, and all of the exemptions politicians have sold over the years, have made a total mess out of our tax laws. I expect they will soon do this as well, with the supplement industry, as their is simply too much money involved for them to keep their greedy paws off of.

        If they weren’t working for the government, both of our political parties would be considered continuing criminal enterprises under the RICO act, and all the politicians could be prosecuted accordingly. If the FBI were to do their job, and apply the test as to whether the political parties are continuing criminal enterprises, they could come to no other conclusion than the fact that they are, and all members of both parties should be prosecuted.

      • SSgt Snuffy

        No you have a great AIR FORCE day, SFC!

        G.I. grits and G.I. gravy
        Gee I wish I’d joined the Navy. (pfft J/K) :)

  • Joseph

    In case people in MD are not familiar with my DJK comment: http://hawkcentral.com/2010/12/07/iowa-football-djk-arrested-on-drug-charges/

  • Dr Brandon

    abuse and coverup?? nothing is being covered up and there was no abuse. If you learn about rhabdo and look into what the players were doing you may be able to make a more informed and educated guess. The players had just gone from basically a month of inactivity straight into offseason workouts which are generally much more intense than workouts during the season. Once one player came down with symptoms I am sure the University was proactive in admitting any player who had even the slightest symptom. Also if you look at player comments and even the interviews with Mr Poggi its not hard to see this whole thing had been overblown. Serious and unfortunate yes but not abuse or coverup.

    • Jay

      You are misinformed. They were doing an exceptionally intense work outs that were clearly irresponsible abuse by the coaching and training staff. 13 players spending now 4 nights in the hospital is not overblown.

      Iowa is attempting to sweep this under the rug and hide it from public scrutiny and you are obviously part of that effort.

      If people worked out horses this hard they would be arrested for animal cruelty. People no problem as long as we get the wins. So sad.

      Coach Ferentz & the strength and conditioning coach Doyle must be fired.

      • Granny

        Pray tell the source of this knowledge. Otherwise, it is uniformed conjecture that reveals your stupidity.

      • Dr Brandon

        Please tell the misinformation?? The workouts have been completed in the past with no problems. Also if you read the whole interview with Mr Poggi he states that he has full trust in the coaches and even sends his own players to such programs. So where is the misinformation and coverup??

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  • Bill in Louisville

    Wouldn’t be a big surprise. Iowa’s football program has had lots of players get arrested for drug related charges the past few years. If you have no problem smoking weed, why not some “supplements” that aren’t screened for in urine tests. Try to keep up with the Ohio State’s of the world

    • smitherton

      I doubt it was anything illegal as you imply Bill in Louisville. When I first heard of this I immediately thought they were taking creatine. You know, a perfectly legal supplement sold everywhere, even some grocery stores. It is well known that you must drink lots of water to avoid cramping and similar type problems. Think and research before you post and show your ignorance sometime. Wait and see folks, it’ll come out that they were on creatine.

  • EJ

    Unfortunately they didn’t list the rest of Coach Poggi’s comments about Iowa’s head coach. If they did this story may not seem quite as bad, and it isn’t.

  • Joe33

    “We can’t guarantee the effect of supplements. We don’t even know if they even work. But we do know they’re dangerous,” said Mike Gimbel, Powered By Me

    WRONG. Absolutely wrong. Creatine has been studied time and time again to measure its effectiveness, side effects etc. Besides protein, creatine is the ONLY supplement that has been scientifically-proven to aid in building of muscle tissue. (Look it up.) Does it work for everyone? No. Can it be harmful if taken in large amounts or if it is low-grade? You bet. Anything can be harmful if you abuse it. The key is to know what you are buying and to take it AS DIRECTED. And drink plenty of water, which any athlete, weightlifter etc. must do anyway.

    People make kneejerk statements about things they have zero knowledge of. Rhabdo can happen anytime the body works out “too hard”, without adequate resting time and hydration. I’m betting creatine is not to blame in any way, unless they were abusing the amounts.

    Prayers out for a speedy recovery to these athletes.

    • Dr Brandon

      I think the statement you are complaining about was meant to cover supplements in general. Not just creatine.

      • Joe33

        Dr. Brandon,
        You may be correct. But we hear these types of statements often and with regularity. Remember the days of Sosa and McGuire? How many headlines read “Creatine, The Legal Steroid of Athletes” etc. ? So while his statement may have concerned supplements in general, the article does not do a good job discriminating or compartmentalizing well, anything. Just my .02

  • Bill

    Never mind that anyone who consumes beef or fish – 99% of those reading this comment – also consumes creatine. (which is in fish, hamburgers, etc)

    Now we’re just debating amount; or, alternatively, why some like to demonize creatine as an outlet for their subconscious dislike of guys with muscle and testosterone.

    • Joe33

      Yup. You are right on Bill. I would agree that the overwhelming majority of supplements are pointless junk. Maybe not harmful, but pointless. Creatine is not in that category. It’s just more media sensationalism, posturing, and folks talking out of their you-know-whats. To Bill in Louisville: Pardon? Try again.What does “smoking weed” have to do with totally legal sports supplements? How is that analogous? Sorry but your statement makes no sense whatsoever.

      I was a Div. 1 athlete in college. If they would have found marijuana in my system I would have been toast. (I’ve never smoked weed, ever.) How is that related to supplements?

  • JJIrons

    Stating that “supplements” are dangerous is just plain silly. 100’s of millions of people take supplements daily around the world and are just fine, and in many cases they improve people’s health. CERTAIN so-called supplements can be dangerous, yes. Just quit taking things that isn’t scientifically validated or haven’t been certified as banned-substance free!

  • zombierocket

    What lunacy… you might as well say BUSH DID IT.

    • moleman

      Bush did do it when he signed the drug prescription program that benefitted greatly all Pharmaceutical co’s. Have you noticed suddenly there is a Walgrens, CVS, Rite Aid on every street corner now & drugs are more expensive. It was a huge windfall for business & a carrot for consumers.

  • zombierocket

    But we do know they’re dangerous,” said Mike Gimbel,

    You do? That’s just absurd!

    • Joe33

      Haha – exactly. “We do know they’re dangerous.” Thanks Mike Gimbel. You know what else is dangerous? Stupidity and ignorance.

      • sharky

        If they aren’t dangerous, then why are they in the hospital?

  • ygbodybuilderCUZZ

    These experts who think creatine is ‘dangerous’ need be named and quick. Their blatant disregard for scientific fact must be exposed.

    I’m quite surprised that fourloko was not also blamed here as well.

  • Mike Wryley

    probably got a batch from China with who-knows-what mixed in,
    aka Chinese dog food that kills you pet

  • Autumn

    The coaches overworked those kids, didn’t allow them any brief rest or water breaks, and now are looking to shift the blame to avoid lawsuits. Losers.

  • CommonSensePlease

    As usual there is the typical reactionary comments. First, there may indeed be an issue with “supplements” or it could have been intense training. No one knows at this point. However, ignorant statements categoring “supplements” into harmfull substances is foolish and damaging. Too much of anything makes you sick.. Try eating a gallon of ice cream. Lets not be like that idiot sheriff in Arizona that blamed right wing rhetoric for the terrible shooting before he had any facts about the shooter.

    • Joe33

      Oh but that’s what we do in this country CSP! And the media pours gunpowder on a candle as a matter of course! C’mon, don’t stop us from being an uneducated, fat, myopic heard of sheep that we are! After all, our government always knows what’s best and they’ll take care of us. : ) wink wink

  • Mike Michaels

    Actually, I can see where creatine could add to the problem. One of the known side effects of creatine is possible dehydration and cramping and drinking extra fluids is advised. Dehydration can also increase the chance of rhabdo. Creatine/dehydration/intense workout can = rhabdo. Happened to me.

  • Tim

    So….. we KNOW that supplements are dangerous? My vitamin C and omega 3 fish oil are DANGEROUS?? OMG, I’d better stop right now!!

    This “expert” is an idiot! I remember starting 2 a day practice/workouts in high school for football, and there were times it fel like you were going to die, especially after loafing around a couple of months between sports seasons.

    I started taking supplements after my heart attack last year at age 39. What I stopped doing is eating processed, fatty foods that were killing me, and now the supplements are helping me maintain and gain greater health. Yeah, protein powder, vitamins, green foods – all supplements, but they can help your body when you know what to do with them. It’s not the supplements that are dangerous, its ignorance.

  • Leon

    I am certainly no conspiracy freak, but these type of incidents in the incredibly corrupt world of college athletics need to to be thoughly investigated. Not only by the school (or UI hospital) or the NCAA which all have a large financial interest in the outcome, but by an independent 3rd party. Schools use and abuse players so they can cash in millions from bowl games & TV contract and have little concern for their education or their health. Boosters push schools and coaches to bend/break the rules everyday so they can win. They are worse than any sleazy lobbying group in Washington with their careless disregard for the welfare of a bunch of 19 and 20 years olds. All so they can sit in their luxury boxes and feel important becuase “their” school wins a game. Sad and pathetic. On top of that, the NCAA has shown again they only have rules when they don’t affect the bottom line. (e.g. Newton @ Auburn and Pryor @ Ohio St) With all this being said, why should people not be suspicious that something illicit may be going on when a large group of athletes working out together get hospitalized all at the same time?

    • Joe33

      The subject and controversies revolving round the NCAA and college athletics are valid ones. The NCAA has MANY flaws in its system. However, making broad brush statements like you have is unfair at best, ignorant at worst. Yes, there are certainly examples of corruption and “bottom-line” type of thinking. And these controversies always revolve around the large revenue-making sports and programs/players. The other 95% of NCAA athletes and coaches have absolutely nothing to do with you what you are talking about. I was in that other 95%.

      • Leon

        Joe…..Very valid point as the majority of the problems I was referring to revolve around FB and Bskt where the vast majority of the money is. I don’t recall any booster friends of mine clamoring for lacrosse, softball or gymnastics tickets to impress their clients. LOL. Problems with drinking, drugs, crime or grades, within the other sports are less than the general student body. I played baseball in college and there were no cushy summer jobs or new cars waiting around for us to drive. I think it was for the best as we actually went to class, got a degree and didn’t develop the “world owes us everything” attitude so common in the money sports. It just makes me sad to see so many kids throwing away a opportuntiy for an education on the pipe dream of big money in the NBA or NFL.

      • Joe33

        Agree 100% Leon. The fact that you played college baseball (I played college lacrosse) tells me that you know exactly what I’m talking about! When it comes to D1 football and hoops, the NCAA is all sorts of $%^# up! It is one big pit of hypocrisy. Cheers!

      • NavyBuckeye

        Wow, Leon, you played college baseball so you leave it out of the money sport talk. Was that a purposeful tactic? Did you learn that by watching CBS or NBC?

        If I am not mistaken the biggest contracts and the highest paid athletes are..wait..baseball players.


      • Leon

        NavyBuckeye….It appears you are comparing apples to oranges. While there is obviously a lot of money in baseball at the Major League level, we are talking about college sports. The budget of the vast majority of college baseball teams is very small outside of some schools in AZ, FL, Tx and CA. It is a tiny blip on the athletic dept radar compared to basketball or football. Do you think they ever have to do fundraisers to pay for new equpiment or travel expenses? Who do you think gets all the best times for the weight room or the training staff. Who do you think alumni/boosters shower with swag? Not the baseball team. We drove beatup pickup trucks and 10 year old Honda civics while lots of FB & Bskt players magically had brand new SUVs with dealer plates. This is a solid D1 program with a couple CWS appearaces not some tiny D3 school. I am perfectly happy with my experience. I was not raised to feel I should be treated better than someone else just because I could catch a football or hit a baseball. It is just a game, not something important like a doctor or firefighter. In fact, I always felt I should be working harder than any other student as the university was giving me a free education. Being thankful and humble are not traits I have ever found to be common among college FB or Bskt players.

  • Rick in California

    Uninformed, afraid to take on a topic of real importance (jobs, economy, crime, etc.) politician proposing all vitamins and supplements be banned in …1, 2, 3…

  • Consultofactus

    Oh – so the supplements made them sick…the original diagnosis was that they were Bears’ fans suffering an adverse reaction from the NFC title game….at least now they have hope for recovery!

  • EJ

    Why don’t some of you people read up on Chris Doyle, Iowa’s strength and conditioning coach. He would never put his players in a bad situation and the football coaches can’t even be a part of these workouts.

    Also, Ferentz’ son is the starting center for this team and his older son played before this child.

    Do you think the coach would endanger his own kids? If so you obviously know NOTHING about the man.

    • scott

      Doyle is regarded as one of the best in the business. The workout that was completed has been done multiple times in the past. Not only is Freentz son playing now, but his older son has already played and graduated at Iowa. There may be corruption and coverups at many NCAA schools but Iowa has long been regarded as ethical and knows for doing things the right way.

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