BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Praying for better grades.  That’s what happened inside a Baltimore City school and now legal experts say it violated the separation of church and state.

Adam May reports on the controversy.

Dozens of students and parents gathered inside Tench Tilghman Elementary and Middle School last week for a Saturday prayer service aimed at motivating students to do well on state testing.

It’s supported by many in the community.

“Everybody needs some prayer in school,” said one.

At the direction of principal Jael Yon, a flier was handed out to hundreds of students with images of prayer with numerous verses from the Bible.

“[The law is] crystal clear,” said David Rocah, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union.

Rocah cites Supreme Court decisions from the 1960s, which prohibit state-sponsored prayer in school.

“Not only are they unconstitutional for very good reasons, but they are divisive.  They send a message of exclusion to people who are not of the particular faith or of any faith at all,” Rocah said.

School officials say they understand prayer plays an important role as a source of motivation and support, but it’s clear that it is not appropriate to promote any particular religious practice. 

The principal would not comment, but some parents defend her.

“Prayer’s good.  I don’t see a problem with it,” a parent said.

Others say it’s a distraction.

“Is that gonna make a difference with the education?  That’s what we’re here for, taking our kids to school for,” one said.

City school officials are reviewing the details surrounding the prayer event.  They say they plan to use the finding to clarify school policy.

Our media partner, the Baltimore Sun, reports a similar event was held at the same school last year, as well.

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Comments (785)
  1. more problems says:

    That’s what’s wrong with the school system now not enough prayer that’s why the students are fighting the teachers they don’t have respect for one another and they feel asthough they can do what they want no da* structure or guidance!

    1. Shrimp says:

      hey – if i was a teacher today, and being told my future was at risk, and my kids had to perform to a test standard, and i was in Baltimore MD, I’d be praying too.

      1. Anon E. Mous says:

        Being a union employee I think you should start prayiing really hard or just make sure you do your job! I know doing your job is not what you wanted to hear.

      2. Jack Kinch(1uncle) says:

        Cheers and prays for Baltimore. Bring back America and prepare for Armageddon.

      3. John Manuola says:

        I know it’s difficult for some left leaning union thugs to do, but most mature adults can walk and chew gum at the same time (i.e. – Pray AND do our jobs)

      4. frankfletcher1 says:

        Awww – how cute. You have been listening to Glen Beck and you never realized that there were no thugs in Wisconsin. No violence. And you’d be praying too without the unions because there would be no 8 hour day, no overtime, no benefits, no safety regulations but lots of child labor! Stop chewing gum and praying and start learning.

      5. Hunter Rose says:

        Yeah FrankFletcher!… We HAVE that now so we don’t NEED the unions anymore. We’re NOT going BACK to the way it was… GET OVER IT!!! There was a time when we needed a horse to go with our buggy, but we don’t NEED them now. Times have changed. MOVE ON!!!

      6. Av-I-Tar says:

        I just re-read the First Amendment. It says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” As an educated person I read, CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW. What I dont read is, CONGRESS, NOR ANY CITY OR STATE SHALL MAKE NO LAW. What it says is the Congress must cover its eyes concerning religion but what a community does is of no concern. Prayer should be allowed in a school that wants to do it as long as Congress does not force it.

      7. Dr.Moon says:

        Where is all of this TOLERANCE the left is always screaming about. I bet the prayer didn’t hurt one single kid. If you don’t want to pray then don’t but don’t stop those people who do want to say a prayer from exercising their right. Nowhere in the Constitution is the phrase “seperation of Church and State” The Constitution guarantees us freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

      8. Joe_Biggs says:

        If you want to pray, then by all means do it outside the school.

        Or better yet, if you were a teacher maybe you should get a job at a christian private school.

        Then you could pray all you wanted.

        But of course you are not a teacher.

    2. ryan says:

      This argument is moot. The school is praying for knowledge, not for respect between teachers and students. The school should spend its time teaching, not praying.

      1. Randy says:

        Hey Mr. presumptuous. How do YOU know what the school — or the students — are praying for? I doubt your familiarity with the subject is that deep. So teaching and praying are mutually exclusive? Prove to me you can walk and chew gum…I dare you.

      2. ryan says:

        Well, the article implies it is praying for better test scores. Why else associate the act of prayer with the act of testing?

      3. Mitch says:

        Ryan you are an arrogant idiot. What does a prayer for knowledge hurt? Who has been damaged by these prayers? Crawl back under your liberal pc rock.

      4. AJsDaddie says:

        If they understand what prayer is about (less likely these days as groups like ACLU continue to attack religion), then they’re praying for the ability to do their best, for God’s guidance and assistance in reaching their potential. There isn’t one thing about the act of praying that has negative consequences, and certainly not for those who choose not to participate.

        Time to quit the PC nonsense and let those who wish to pray, do so. The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

      5. ryan says:

        It hurts the Constitution. It weakens the foundation of our society’s law by breaking it.

      6. ryan says:

        Also, I think it is unChristian of someone to call me an idiot. That is rude and hurtful. If you disagree with me, you can say so in courteous terms.

        Or do I have to pray for you to be polite?

      7. Andrew says:

        Mitch, why are you so angry?

      8. Rusty says:

        Ryan. You are a moron. No where in the constitution does it say we are not allowed to teach religion and prayer in schools. Separation of church and state was to protect the government from religious involvement and to prevent the church from having any control over government decisions. It like many other constitutional rights has been stretched and manipulated to benefit the loud pretentious minority that complains constantly that their rights are being violated.

      9. Mitch says:

        Ryan I never claimed to be a Christian and I stand by my previous statement. You are an idiot and a coward.

      10. ryan says:

        The church never really had control over government decisions. The Church of England was headed by the state, not vice versa. The monarch was the highest religious leader, not beholden to any other religious position. If anything, the religion suffered at the hands of the British government.

        Anyway, you are right that the Constitution does not explicitly state schools cannot do this. The Constitution is pithy, and requires you to apply the general law to specific situations. If the Constitution says government cannot encourage religion, than this specific form of encouragement on part of government officials is not allowed.

      11. ryan says:

        How am I a coward?

      12. Mitch says:

        You don’t want children to pray for knowledge because you are afraid of any display of religion on the basis of weakening the Constitution. Does the children praying personally hurt you? No it dopes not. You are afraid.

      13. ryan says:

        Is cowardice simply fear? Or is it the refusal to face fear? If I tucked my tail between my legs and didn’t argue for what I believe in, you’d be right. But I don’t think your definition of cowardice is accurate.

        I do fear what the government would do to religion, though, yes.

      14. Appu says:

        Rusty, it does not say in the Constitution that you are not allowed to “teach religion and prayer” in schools. It says Government can “‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. So if a private school wants to hold religious prayers that is perfectly legal, but for a government-run school to institute prayer cross the “make no law respecting an establishment of religion” clause. People can argue about the magnitude of the violation and trivialize it – but it is a violation of something the founders EXPLICITLY laid out in the creation of the nation for a good reason.

        BTW, “teaching religion and prayer” is a very ambiguous statement if you think about it carefully. You can teach about religions of the world, about prayer, different forms, and any conclusions of studies or opinions on prayer and its effectiveness, etc etc… But you cannot run a Madrassah or Sunday School or equivalent version of teaching a specific religion and holding prayers that the students are expected to attend and participate in.

        And this is no horrible violation of anyone’s rights, it is in fact the best protection of everyone’s right to practise their religion in amity. There are a zillion places and occasions to have organized prayer outside government offices/institutions, and individuals can still pray by themselves if they so choose in any location. So the whole debate is just some religious people being like the bored bully brother on a long car ride who puts his finger in front of your face and says, “If you touch my finger I will hit you”. Silly asinine provocation that does no good for religion or government or social amity.

      15. ryan says:

        Sounds like you’re echoing what I’m saying.

      16. Maine932 says:

        Before you start yelling at me too, I think Ryan has a point. Plus, if prayer is that necessary, then say one at your desk while the test is being handed out. A true Christian does not need anyone to help them say a quick prayer asking for better marks, or help in being able to study better. If we allow a Christian prayer public, then we have to allow a Jewish prayer, Muslim prayer, Buddhists prayer, prayer to the God of rain, wind, sun, warmer weather, smoother whiskey and naked women…oh, just reminded me…I have to go pray…!

      17. Rick says:

        ryan, I know this to be FACT. When American schools had prayer in them America was on the RISE, when America removed prayer from the school system we are on a steady decline. Since the aclu won the supreme court case that removed prayer from public schools we have also scene a steady decline in quality education and student behavior. Maybe you should start praying because they are our future

      18. richard says:

        Ryan–if you have a problem with the school praying maybe you should move to china where people are put in prison for praying then you would not have to spout off about prayer in our schools..

      19. ryan says:

        Rick, at that time our rise was because of the effects of World War II. It certainly was not because of prayer. We entered a sort of golden age due to the state of the rest of the world…and we’ve been riding it ever since. Which isn’t to say American isn’t awesome (it is), just that effects have causes, and prayer wasn’t it.

      20. ryan says:

        Richard: so my options are let the Constitution be trampled or go to China where it already is?

        Interesting point of view. I disagree, though. The cool thing about a free state is everyone can express their opinions–even you.

      21. Appu says:

        One of the fundamental (false) assumptions people who advocate government involvement in religion make is that it will be THEIR religious views and beliefs that will be imposed or encouraged by the government. Anyone who actually understands the motivations for the formation of the US republic knows this is a totally flawed assumption – most of the early settlers of the US (including William Penn) were here bcos the established religion in their country of birth disagreed with their beliefs and sought to persecute them for their beliefs. They came here to escape that tyranny, and hence enshrined the “establishment of religion” clause in the Virginia and then US Constitution (First Amendment). Now we have people who think that it will be THEIR religion which will somehow get more mileage (for lack of a better term) if the ACLU would back off its stance.

        Even if you are Christian remember Catholics and Protestants have famously (in-?) feuded for centuries killing and rapiing each other in their fanaticism. And so many smaller sects of Christianity have faced violent persecution and still face a lot of discrimination in other “Christian” nations just as badly as small sects of Islam do in “Islamic” nations that we so rightly disapprove of. If your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle folks. If we became a religion-based nation we will not be the America of the 1900s as you fantasize, we will become the Iran or Saudi Arabia or crazy Middle Age European nations. Think about it and pray in thanks that we chose a different path and thank God for the ACLU and their determination. 🙂

      22. Gator says:

        There is another issue that many of these comments seems to be touching, but not directly. Why is it that the left (ACLU and other liberals) always screams and yells about prayer in school? They say it is a violation of “separation of church and state”, right? I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe schools ever used to be considered part of the “state”, at least not until the establishment of the NEA. Once the fed came in with the NEA, government funding, and government regulation, schools fell under the umbrella of government. THAT is when schools began going down hill. THAT is when the ACLU was free to condemn prayer in schools. THAT is when the liberalization of our students (which oddly enough coincides with the decline in education) went in to full force. And THAT was about the same time that our country’s steepest decline began. It would appear that the liberalization and governmentalization of our school system is at the root of so many of our social and political problems. Hmm, abolish the NEA and let schools go back to their communities. Or at least to the states where they belonged in the first place. But, those are just my thoughts on the matter.

      23. Teri says:

        How much time did they spend praying??? I can guarantee that there is enough time wasted in the day NOT teaching NOT learning that a few minutes (or an hour) “wasted” meditating or praying about better perfornamce on tests is not a big deal.

      24. ryan says:

        Gator, any public school is part of the state.

      25. Rick says:

        ryan- I disagree, Since the founding fathers established this nation is was based upon christian principles. NO it is not in the US constitition of a separation of church and state. However it was established in a court ruling. The existance of prayer does not establish any specific religion. Those praying may pray to GOD or Allah or whosoever jack in beanstalk. By not allowing the expression of prayer you force one into the religion of athiesism.

      26. Battlecarrot says:

        Don’t impose your secular materialist religion on us.We are supposed to be free of any OFFICIAL Religion-that is why the codicil of “separation of Church and State was included.That means freedom from the Atheist religion as well which is an ancient FAITH.If we want to pray to Christ or some Pagan god in school we will.The ACLU is anything BUT.It typifies the “Four Legs Good,Two Legs Bad”school of leftist-marxist thought.

      27. Diane Stephenson says:

        Yayyyyy for the school! If you don’t want to participate in the prayer service. you don’t have to. Ryan, stop being such a hater.

      28. Keith says:

        I wish I could convince my wife the same way absolute faith convinces believers… Honey, if we are able to keep making our mortgage payment and our kids get into good colleges, it’s because I’m blessing you for having faith in me…. If we lose the house and little Darla gets hooked on meth; it’s all still according to my plan… it’s just I work in mysterious ways, that’s all!

      29. Jeff says:

        It’s so simple that intellectual people but liberals somehow fail to understand it. The First Amentment states: mpeding the free exercise of religion, Congress (not you, me, not the courts but Congress) shall not support a national religion nor can they restrict the individuals right to freely exercise their religion. However, it does not restrict what an individual state may or may not do. Unless religious restrictions are imposed within a state by that particular state then prayer can be held in school, nativity scenes may be displayed and the Ten Commandments can be displayed on city or federal property. The intent was to keep government out of religion not religion out of government. The Supreme Court rulings in regards to religious activities is woefully erroneous.

      30. Billy says:

        Hey Randy, they are singing MM MM MM. MM MM MM. Barack Hussein Obama. MM MM MM.

      31. JasonH99 says:

        Ryan – you keep bringing up what the Constitution says about religion, but I have yet to see you explain what “law” regarding religion (as stated in the first amendment) the state created by allowing the children to pray. I don’t see that the state legislature passed anything.

      32. Jamie says:

        Well Ryan, it’s obvious that the teachers are not doing a very good job getting the knowledge through to the student if their last hope is to pray. Maybe they should pray for better teachers that have passion to teach to the student. Each student learns differently. It’s the teachers job to identify that for the simple fact that they are not retaining the knowledge. Therefore, not learning. In one ear and out the other. We all should be praying for better teacher all around the country. Look at the schools in Detriot! A very high percentage of the student body graduate and still can’t read! START PRAYING!

      33. Bob says:

        ryan, praying for you this morning. Have a great day!

      34. cwxj415 says:

        I think it’s really amusing how those who argue for prayer the loudest are also the rudest, meanest, most arrogant posters on this blog. Whatever happened to the humility that Christ told us to possess? No, nowadays, the American Christian is far too self-important to engage in humility! Rather, they will abuse, insult, mock and ridicule anybody who DARES to disagree with them. Thus, we get the ignorant comments of Mitch and others.

        But Ryan is correct: Prayers are something that individuals do, according to their spiritual beliefs. Schools are for TEACHING. School administrators that take away time from teaching to pray are committing malpractice. Prayers might bring calmness, but it does nothing to improve math scores.

      35. RavviOli says:

        Yeah, right!!! What do you want us to do ? Pray to the union bosses instead of the Almighty Creator of the Universe? We have tried it your way and it did not work. NOW keep quiet while we do it our way.

      36. RobNclt says:

        they have spent their time teaching and now they are praying to God to help the students recall what has been taught. What’s wrong with that, nothing. If you don’t believe in prayer for your child write a letter to school and have your child sit out the prayer. That’s what I had to do when I wanted my child sitting out things I did not want him to get involved in. If your child doesn’t score as well as those praying maybe you should rethink your position. Enough said! There is an example of what they are doing in the Bible.

        Babylon captured the nation of Israel and the king took some of the best children to learn and serve in his court. They were to be fed a special diet to help them grow up physically and mentally. Daniel wanted to keep the things he knew to spiritually eat. When they compared the ones who did what Daniel did with the others he fared much better. No one loses anything praying but they stand to gain a lot.

      37. John Manuola says:

        OMG…what a bunch of crock. No one is TEACHING prayer here. No one is ESTABLISHING a state religion. You are assuming that these are ONLY Christian based prayers (admitted not a stretch to assume that in what is, essentially, a Christian nation) and no one is forcing anyone to participate. In fact, no where in the article is it being suggested that students are even involved.

      38. Robert Michael Simon says:

        Better idea….Time for SEPARATIoN of STATE and EDUCATION,then kids and teachers can pray when they damn well want to….

      39. Cw says:

        Ryan — Obviously you need a job and a life. You are a bitter, foolish man.

      40. Debbie says:

        “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

        Do you see the word ‘GOD” above? We never should have taken praying out of the public schools.

      41. Lisa Monica says:

        The school isn’t praying; it’s simply allowing it’s students to pray. It’s not like it was mandatory and one would be graded on one’s prayer.

      42. MichaelH says:

        So, are you one of the “outraged”? If you are, outrage comes too easily for you. You should mind your own business. No one is forcing anyone to pray.

      43. Howard Ino says:

        Just more of the hate filled Secular Humanist (14% of America) trying to run the other 84% of America.

        Time for them to pray that we don’t turn our political will on them!

      44. JMMAC says:

        “If the Constitution says government cannot encourage religion, than this specific form of encouragement on part of government officials is not allowed.”

        To the best of my knowledge (which is based on being a government employee for 30 years), teachers are not government officials, but merely employees of a non-government union. Therefore, if they choose to pray for a little devine educational guidance for their charges, so be it.

        We make allowances today for just about any religion you can mention. But allow a short prayer in school? Outrageous! We have lost any semblance of common sense in this country.

      45. thevictorian says:

        All part of the ACLU/Jew Plan!

      46. Av-I-Tar says:

        You, being a liberal, would probably find it OK if they were praying to Allah but not God. Right?

      47. Gary says:

        I think Ryan is being very nice about it all when he should just be calling you all stupid for believing in a fictional being. Not only that, but actually believing that it’ll help your stupid kids (raised like this by you, btw) get better grades.

        Next time I take a test I’ll ask Superman real nice if he can help me, maybe that’ll help. Since the constitution isn’t clear about praying to comic book heroes it MUST be the right thing to do!


      48. SR says:

        Who does it hurt? Anyone who doesn’t want or need to pray. Many of us are atheists or agnostics. Many more are not Christians. When your boss or teacher tells you “pray to my god”..what does that imply? When you say NO, you are risking your job or grades. You are risking violence from the religious types (who are dangerously violent at the best of times).
        While the words “seperation of church and state” may not be written in the Constitution, the spirit of those words are there. The words are specifically from a Supreme Court case. Explain how an arm of the government (schools) forcing prayer isn’t establishing a religion!
        If the principal were a Muslim and wanted all of the kids to kneel on carpets facing Mecca that’d be ok with you proprayer types? Of course not. How about if he was Jewish and wanted everyone to wear Yamakas for the test day? Or Buddhist and told all children they must light a stick of incense on the way to the test…woudl that be fine?
        Lastly, tolerance doesn’t mean letting people get away with everything no matter how wrong it is. The school is for teaching. The church is for praying. Private religious schools allow both. These kids time would be better spent studding for the tests rather than hoping for some magic.

    3. Jim says:

      We demand the government provide us food, housing, education, health care, jobs, transportation and burials — why NOT let them provide us a little religion also??

      1. phran says:

        The ACLU doesn’t want prayer in schools or anywhere else. — forbid we learn to trust something other than the government to provide us with assistance.

      2. Appu says:

        Bcos you can hold them accountable for food poisoning, lousy housing, lousy education, healthcare, jobs and so on, but can you hold them accountable for a religion based on something someone (or many someones) said who was not a government official, contractor or even an American? That is why they cannot be allowed to provide us a little religion. Our government is designed to be as accountable as humanly possible to the citizenry (unlike Monarchies and Dictatorships – so please do not berate the imperfections of our democratic republic as if there are better systems out there.) Govt getting involved in religion automatically makes them not accountable for the teachings of that religion – we can only hold them accountable for getting involved in the first place. Hence the “Just Say NO!” separation of Church and State. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto God what is God’s – as a very wise man once is believed to have said.

      3. John Fox says:

        Because the federal government is forbidden from doing so by the constitution. If a school is private, or if a public school doesn’t get federal funding and their state constitution doesn’t forbid it, then the staff is free to lead their students in prayers.

        Students, on the other hand, have always been free to pray as much as they want. They are free to invite other students to pray with them. It’s only when the teachers or school officials get involved by either designating a prayer, what has to be in it, or what can’t be in it, does it become an issue.

        It is only fear mongers and the ignorant that say prayer or religion isn’t allowed in school. The only thing forbidden is for the STAFF of the school to lead the class in prayer. They are free to pray at their desk all they want.

        This county has things called ‘laws’. If you don’t like them, get them changed. If you feel so strongly, change the constitution so that the government is free to specify which religion people have to follow.

        But since even Christians can’t agree on what a ‘Christian’ is, I doubt if you will get very far.

      4. RDNKKKGRL says:


    4. ryan says:

      Do you really want the government ruining religion, too?

      1. richard says:

        ryan–you need to look at the condition of your on soul–the bible states that in the last days there will be a fauling away from the truth. also in Matthew 24 it states in the last days==take heed that no man deceive you. and you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. I would be more concerned with my relation ship with JESUS CHRIST than with prayer being held in school. I thank GOD they have the guts to hold prayer sessions.

      2. ryan says:

        Thank you for your interest in my well being.

      3. Kevin says:

        After scanning the comments on this page, one thing is immediately clear – Ryan hates prayer! 😉

      4. jay says:

        The decline of public schools began when the government began giving money to them and controlling them. Now schools cannot go without public funding from the government. That is why so many are turning to private schools, at least those that can afford it. Whenever the government tries to control anything it destroys it. That is why the writers of the constitution believed in limited government, and that the government should not be involved in religion. They saw what would happen to religion in England when the government got involved. They saw how intrusive the government became when it grew too big. One only needs to read the grievances in the Declaration of Independence to understand how little the government should truly be.

      5. John Fox says:

        Jay is 100% correct … if the schools didn’t depend on FEDERAL funding, they would only have to follow the rules of their state. Do you think PRIVATE schools have to give the AIMS test?? No, they don’t. It is voluntary for PRIVATE schools. AIMS testing is not a law, it is a requirement to receive federal funding. This is why Catholic schools can teach/preach religion, they don’t receive state or federal funding.

        The constitution only forbids the FEDERAL government from forcing religion upon the population, it does not forbid STATE governments from doing so. Each state has it’s own constitution.

        You want your kids to be taught religion?? Then send them to a private school, to church, or do it yourself. There is no law requiring you to send them to public schools.

      6. ryan says:

        John Fox, you are incorrect. The Fourteenth Amendment extends the First Amendment to the state level.

    5. marty says:

      God is long dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. Bill C says:

        How do you know?

      2. howie says:

        Where did you obtain this information? Other than in your mind.

      3. aarach says:


      4. Rick says:

        marty- I believe you may think GOD is dead or maybe you are just hoping he does not exist, However my GOD is alive and well. He is not the enemy and sometimes we as humans attempt to play GOD and do things that are not always right. But if you only believe in him and focus on him he will reveal himself. Promise

      5. ConanTheRepublican says:

        Prove it.

      6. robert10inch says:

        Conan, You gotta die first a…hole.

      7. cwxj415 says:

        Marty says: “God is long dead.”

        Well, that assumes that he ever existed to begin with! To be “dead”, one must first be alive. In any event, even if some sort of “God” entity did exist, could one really call him “alive”? That word applies to life as we know it, which God, if he exists, certainly is not.

        In any event, the phrase “God is dead” is, I believe, not meant to be taken literally. When the NYTimes famously used that expression, it wasn’t to suggest that the entity “God” had died, but rather, that the human need for old-fashioned organized religion was no longer applicable to our modern society. that suggestion might or might not be correct, but it shouldn’t be taken literally.

      8. tubaman says:

        only a fool says there is no God,fool.

      9. meh says:

        Only a fool says there is no teapot floating between Mars and Jupiter. See how that works?

      10. John Fox says:

        Shh….god isn’t dead marty … there have never been gods. However, the church wants people to think gods exist so then can control their behavior.

        Churches are afraid that if people find out that they can live moral, upstanding, civilized lives without religion, they will loose all of their influence and power. They fail to note that many people and societies lived perfectly moral and civilized lives before Christ was even born. Adults are afraid that folks that don’t have the same belief might be right and it makes them insecure and they lash out.

      11. John Manuola says:

        CWXJ says,”Well, that assumes that he ever existed to begin with! To be “dead”, one must first be alive. In any event, even if some sort of “God” entity did exist, could one really call him “alive”? That word applies to life as we know it, which God, if he exists, certainly is not.”

        that is a very common and dangerously ignorant and arrogant assumption…that only how WE perceive things is important….or more accurately…how YOU perceive them.

      12. LisaMonica says:

        I happen to know God personally. I can assure you that He is very real, has always been and will always be. He speaks audibly to those who will listen and with those whom He chooses to speak. He also speaks to our hearts. God isn’t dead. He is also the one who protects your right to make such ignorant comments.You might want to think about that the next time you speak or write. God is better as a Father, Brother and Helper than He is as an Opponent. Not a good choice, I know from personal experience. But thankfully for all of us He is also very merciful. Because of your ignorant comments alone, you will probably have quite a few people praying for you because of His mercy. Ironic isn’t it!

      13. Judith of Bethulia says:

        God is silent when fools like you proclaim Him dead. This silence of God gives you the freedom to damn yourself. You are a fool, Marty, and I mean it.

    6. Christine says:

      I think that it is great that they are praying. It is their right to pray. I doubt that they are forcing anyone to pray if they don’t want to. I believe that pray works.
      N one should be called names for their opinion. So don’t call Ryan names. Just let him have his opinion and we should keep true to our beliefs.
      Pray if we want to pray. Help those who want to Pray. And believe that Our Lord And Savior is all Knowing and Caring and will be there for those of us who Accept him.

      1. RDNKKKGRL says:


    7. Sid says:

      Look at what has happened to our culture and society since prayer was abolished in the early 60’s. We as a country better humble ourselves before the Lord and quit listening to these Godless Liberals. We still have time to turn our country back to one that fears and honor’s the Lord, but this will not happen
      if the United States of America and the majority of its citizens does not give honor and glory that is due to our heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

      1. Appu says:

        Sid, Did you actually stop ALL prayer in your life bcos the Liberals “abolished” it in the early 60’s. Why? Since you seem so eager to please the Godless Liberals did you give up you car, all fossil fuels, walk to work, TV (other than PBS), drinking, smoking, having children all in your fear of Liberals and their views on these subjects? If the Liberals are so bad for the culture what have you done to highlight the good in our culture (other than bash liberals anonymously on the internet?)? Personal responsibility is not just for Black Teenagers and Women in the Ghetto you know.

      2. BryanG says:

        Umm… wow…. you scare me Sid…. Fear the lord…. Any god you need to fear… is not one I want.

      3. Dale says:

        “our heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ” should read “YOUR heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ” – because this reference is wrong for me..

        This is the problem – I don’t believe in your god. Your god doesn’t exist in my world. Don’t push your belief on me and I won’t push my belief on you.

    8. Gator says:

      I would like to thank Baltimore’s CBS affiliate for doing this story. It is a story, the likes of which we have seen many other times, but one that sparks good debate. And without this story, Ryan would have had nothing else to do today but watch The View. This forum has allowed him his fifteen minutes of fame on top of his soapbox, spouting his opinion all over the place in countless posts and therefore allowing him to feel relevant. And for that I thank the whole CBS team. I am going back to work now.

      1. ryan says:

        Yeah, I really should have been doing homework.

        Or praying for Jesus to do it for me.

    9. Kerry Early says:

      Rusty – no the so called seperation of church and state comes from a letter Jefferson wrote to a church in Virginia – the 2nd amendment was written to keep the government out of religion not the other way around. Remember the long history of a catholic in power persecuting a protestant and vice versa. The founding fathers did not want the government interfering in an individuals right to practice religion. Period.

    10. dwdraw2 says:

      Your right on

    11. victoria says:

      When they took prayer out of schools, they left the schools without a prayer.

      1. BryanG says:

        Oh wow how witty….. give me a break… Morality and intelligence does not come from a dusty old book and praying to “fill in the blank”…. It comes from people… there are good and bad people that believe in god and pray… as well as there are good and bad people who don’t believe in god…

    12. Gloria C. Williamson says:

      You can cry foul about prayer in school but no-one cry foul when they were talking about same sex union.

      I think we all need to go back to basic (including myself) and put God First.

      1. BryanG says:

        Yea and we then we can go way back to the REAL basics where we burnt witches and thought the world was flat… Yea… the good old days….

    13. skippy777 says:


    14. Christine says:

      No one is saying that all children or teachers have to pray in school, what ever the
      religion. But what makes it someone else right to tell my child that he can’t pray if that is what he wants to do!!! My child believes in the Lord and that his a choice that is his to make!!! No one should call him names or tell him that he is wrong, or “YOU CAN’T PRAY TO YOUR LORD BECAUSE WE DON’T BELIEVE”!!!!!
      This is still a free world as far as I know. (At least for the time being).
      Please don’t try to force your beliefs on my son and my family, Just as we will not force our beliefs on anyone else.
      If you or your children don’t want to pray in school or anywheree else that is your right.
      Just as it is my right and families right to pray anywhere we want, anytime we want.
      I’m not saying rude things or calling anyone names. I’m asking very politely.

    15. testplot says:

      amen to that…. its the aclu that needs to hung by the ying yang till there eyes pop out… when will the people and gov. wake up to the fact that the aclu is a subversive group that under the guise of freedom, they are intent to destroy this country…. they should be shouved down the same rat hole as NPR…

    16. Betsy Rambo says:

      We need to bring prayer back in a big way! A student is FREE NOT to participate and NOT to pray, so why aren’t those who wish to pray, free to do so! Taking God out of everything will mean our demise. I ALWAYS encouraged my daughter to pray before tests – it got her to being a physician assistant today and through a horrificly difficult course of study!

    17. Fanny Forbes Franklen says:

      “The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality” ~ H. L. Mencken

    18. James says:

      If only it were one of the several an Islamic calls to prayer. Then, not only would it be protected, it would be promoted…

    19. prhean says:

      According to the ACLU, atheism is the offical religion of the USA and the only religion that our govenment can recognize or support.

    20. Byyhwe says:

      Our country was founded on Christianity….There should be prayer at every school..Everyone misunderstands separation of church and state…Founding fathers did want Gov’t establishing a Gov’t Ran Religion…Huge tax breaks should be given to home schoolers and the private and christian schools… Get rid of the union worthless teachers..

    21. Anton the Hammer says:

      You know it Brother, but why don’t they?

    22. Mia says:

      In the name of Allah friday morning prayers should be required in all public schools. Prayer Mats shoud be paid by state educational funds. Female students would pray in one class room and males in another.

    23. Poppy says:

      Which prayers? Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Christian (Lutheran, Catholic,… )?
      Teach your children to pray in any faith you wish. They are capable of thought. They can pray any time they choose. It does not have to be organized or school led. Let the school do it’s job and stay out the parents’ right to determine their childrens religious upbringing. If you believe students have no respect or guidance because there is no prayer in school, you must believe parents have no affect on their children’s behavior -or they are not raising them properly.

    24. john falco says:

      If it were a Muslim prayer the ACLU would be o.k. with it I suspect.

    25. Judith of Bethulia says:

      The Civil Liberties Union is encouraged by Satanists, perverts, some Jews who have abjured God in favor of Mammon and many dregs of society who find Religion an obstacle to their wicked, abominable lifestyle. The recent catastrophe in Japan should remind us that we need God, not proponents of abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia and other ungodly acts proper of evildoers. America should ban organizations like Civil Liberties Unio n that make us lose of vision on the afterlife.

    26. Cathy says:

      For everyone that has a problem with prayer in school…I have something for you to think about..Did you pray or at least aknowledge your religion or your higher power on 9/11? Did you worry about where you were when you prayed? If the world were to end today, would you pray and aknowledge your beliefs in a higher power or other belief? Do you think that people were praying in schools, courts, the pentagon etc. on 9/11? Prayer doesn’t mean just one religion, it can be a simple acknowledgement, or whatever you believe in. A lot of problems escalated when we tryed to take out prayer. When people go to court, they raise their right hand and put their hand on a bible..Think carefully…it doesn’t hurt anyone, if you don’t believe, then you don’t believe, then don’t pray, but at least allow those who do, to pray when they need to….

    27. cathy says:

      There is nothing in the school system that “requires” students to pray. So therefore, they are not violating the separation of church and state. It sounds like a flyer was passed out to parents/students if they wanted to attend the prayer service. It was their individual choice to attend. Prayer never hurt anyone. I guarantee that the people complaining…were praying on 9/11 and it didn’t matter where they were…or whether they were in a government building or not….I guarantee you that everyone at the pentagon on 9/11…think carefully…there is nothing wrong with acknowledging your belief system. For that matter, they have forced the school systems to recognize non christian holidays….what is the difference with prayer?

    28. cathy says:

      We should be able to pray or not to pray wherever, whenever we want to without someone telling us to. I believe that IF the students/Parents wanted to attend this prayer service they could….and IF they did not wish to do so they were not forced to do so. Stop looking for problems were there shouldn’t be any.

    29. Eric says:

      It was a Satursay event, not a requires school function. If you wish to deny God, stay home and continue to watch the cartoons.

    30. Greg says:

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      Any law or rule which prohibits the free exercise of religion like stopping prayer anywhere is unconstitutional.

    31. Karen L. Wilson-Maye says:

      It is my prayer that school is once again a source of prayer for children. I was brought up on prayer and allegiance in school. Therefore, we were taught biblical principals and knew the punishment for misbehavior — in particular stealing, killing and disrespect of our peers. Taking prayer out of school has “killed” our behavior standards in the now generation; somebody had better find a way to get God back into our schools as well as in our nation. We are already paying the price for taking God out of both!! Yayy for this principal!!

      1. Karen says:

        If they pray, they may have to stop having sex in the hallways.

    32. Jimmy says:

      Why not have government prayer? We want and allow the “government” to do everything else — food, healthcare, jobs, transportation, education, excuses, etc.. Might as well let them teach us to pray.

      1. RDNKKKGRL says:


    33. Kellie Pardue says:

      i think that children should have some faith in themselves.. the way the world is today and whats on tv.. praying is not hurting anything it may be encouraging to know that they are not alone and people want to see them suceed.

    34. Krista says:

      For years our society has allowed prayer in school, the association of god thru our national anthem and thru our currency that no one has enough of and has no problem spending. Now we have these ignorant people that have been given the okay to stand outside our brothers and sisters funerals and Protest and they are allowed freedom of speech at the most irrelevant and hardest solem time that a grieving family must endure. Please tell me how that is any darn different than allowing our children to stress there beliefs at relevant or irrelevant times. In todays society everyone needs someone watching over them and protecting us from evil. What is so wrong with a prayer showing that we havent lost site of our faith and beliefs.

    35. G. Breedlove says:

      I support your use of prayer in school. You know you’re doing right when you get opposition. Satan panics when you mess up his handiwork. Go on, pray. Somehow it’s ok to take away a Christian’s rights. I’m with you. Pray!

      1. Me says:

        So, by your logic, Hitler was right in mass murdering 6 million+ Jewish people. Saddam Hussein was right for using chemical weapons on the Kurds in the 80’s. The Islamic terrorists are right for terrorizing the world. Mohammed Adid was right to steal millions of dollars worth of humanitarian aid to starving Somalian people in the 90’s. Stalin was right to imprison millions against their will in his brutal work camps. The Chinese were right to use deadly force at Tienanmen Square against unarmed protesters. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is right to oppress Iranian people the way he does.

        By your logic, Atheists are right because YOU oppose them as a Christian.

        Prayer in school doesn’t help test performance, it’s all about the attitude of the student.

    36. RDNKKKGRL says:


      1. Me says:

        Prayer doesn’t stop a bullet, doesn’t stop the cocaine going in the system or the heroin going in the veins. You are nothing but another lamb; prayer can’t solve everything. Sure you can say that some things are solved/helped through prayer, but it simply is not the answer for everything.

    37. happyfeet says:

      Why not? Our schools would be a lot better along with our students. Prayer works every time if it is apply in the right manner or such as this.

    38. Atheist says:

      How about the kids that aren’t christian? Not all people fit into the perfect cookie cutter that some would like to shove us into, and I can recall very well how unwelcome and uncomfortable I felt in school when somebody would mention praying or any other religious act as I simply don’t follow those beliefs.

    39. swell says:

      And how many religions did the school pray in? Did it offer Hebrew services, Muslim services, Wiccan rites? Did it offer a Quaker service? Was there a room where those who didn’t practice religion could go to and study? No? Then perhaps prayer belongs at home and education belongs in the school.

    40. Joe_Biggs says:

      Pray at home or church hell pray outside the school.

      No one is stopping you.

      If you do not like it, well then take your kids out of the PUBLIC school and put them in a PRIVATE school that loves prayer.

      If you do not like that, well then, HOME schools them.

      Just keep your superstitions to yourself.

    41. Me says:

      Pretty sure the prayer won’t help the attitude. It won’t change the fact that a kid does or doesn’t want to learn. How do I know? I’m 17, went to church several times when I was younger (elementary age), and it did nothing but bore me. I’m not atheist, I’m Christian with agnostic leanings. Wanting to learn is entirely dependent on the brain of the child, not of the fact that they pray. And the lawyers are right here; this seperates the Jewish children and the Muslim children as well as any Atheist children. If they want better scores, the teachers need to keep trying and the kids need to decide if they want to learn or not. Die hard religion nuts need to stay out of the school and quit trying to force their beliefs on us. Let everyone decide what they want as a religion, don’t try and do it yourself.

    42. Steve Stahl says:

      what happened to freedom of Religion?… one is forcing anyone to participate…….instead…those that wish to exercise their freedoms are told they can not…what a sad time we live in

    43. gerry gardiner says:

      Look at the photo of the school. It looks like someone emptied garbage cans in front of it’s doors. I went to elementary schools in the 50s and nothing like this was evident.
      Yeah, the problem these kids have is the chance they may actually hear a prayer. The horror…the horror…

    44. K says:

      Sure, let ’em pray!! And then start TAXING ALL RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS!!

  2. more problems says:

    Little prayer never hurt anyone if anything its very helpful unless you worship the devil

    1. Regulas says:

      Exactly and the commie loving UCLU can kiss my arse.

  3. Jessica Morsell says:

    Sorry, but separation of church and state. My children should never be subjected to organized prayer in a public school. If you want them praying, do it at home or send them to a private school. It is not my tax dollars’ job to pay teachers and administrators to organize prayer. It is not the place of a public school to indoctrinate children, evenly the seemingly willing.

    1. Scott says:

      There is no such thing as seperation of church and state the law states that you can not have a state religion get the facts straight and do some reading. Your ignorance is the basis for our failing schools you must be a proud moron.

      1. ryan says:

        The law actually states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (First Amendment). The Fourteenth Amendment extends this to the state level; i.e., extending the Bill of Rights to protect individuals from all government instead of just states from the federal government. Please learn your Constitution before spouting ignorance. Perhaps you don’t know it because your school spent time praying for knowledge instead of teaching it.

      2. SpaceAg says:

        Amen to that!

      3. r says:

        Wouldn’t be applauded by me.

      4. Mary says:

        I don’t think praying before a test constitutes the government making a law establishing a religion. There is no phrase “wall of separation of church and state” in the constitution. Get the facts straight.

      5. ryan says:

        If the state’s code gives state school officials the authority to facilitate prayer, that is a law encouraging religion.

      6. Nick says:

        Scott is right. There is no separation of church and state. Ryan’s post doesn’t finish the amendment …”or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ”

        Let me repeat: “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; “.

        Watch out for spinsters like Ryan

      7. ryan says:

        I omitted it because it was irrelevant. Not holding prayer services does not equate prohibition of the free exercise of religion. If the school disallowed students from praying on their own, that would be prohibition, I would be arguing against that injustice, and I would likewise omit the part of the Amendment which I included here because of its irrelevance.

      8. Chris says:

        Ryan, the law actually means that Congress has no right to make a law that permits or allows religion. Such as, Congress can’t make a law stating that the new national religion is Christianity, etc (hence the world, establishment, as in creating or imposing of something). What you are missing, however, is that a school allowing a prayer to take place before a test does not constitute a “law” that has been passed by the federal government or the state government concerning religion. In fact, if there were a law that prohibited prayer in school then that would fall against the first amendment. That law would be affecting establishment of religion. Stop putting your liberal twist on everything that you read.

      9. Nick says:

        But prohibiting students from praying before a test is prohibition of the free exercise of religion.

        Nobody is forced to join in on this prayer. More so, is it the teacher who is doing the prayer? I don’t think all the students are being called to join in on the “Our Father”

      10. Chris says:

        Why is the phrase ”or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ” irrelevant? It appears to me that this is exactly what the issue is. How can you omit something that has total relevance just because “you” decide that it’s irrelevant. So what if I decide that the part about having “equal, unalienable rights” is irrelevant? What happens then?

      11. ryan says:

        Christ: Schools are given authority by the state code, which is given authority by the law (state constitution). States cannot escape ultimate responsibility for the actions of public employees simply because of the bureaucratic system. A worker who is given authority by the state code which is given authority by the state constitution is beholden to the LAW.
        And yes, the original intention of the First Amendment is quite different from what it is today. But the Fourteenth Amendment extended the Bill of Rights to the state level, meaning no government on any level can encourage religion.

        Nick: There is a difference between not holding a prayer and not allowing prayer. Students can pray on their own, or even band together to organize prayer themselves. But the school cannot organize such an event. That doesn’t mean they should ban prayer.

        And since the article states the school itself holds the prayer, I assume it means the school is facilitating prayer.

      12. ryan says:

        Christ, it is irrelevant because this school is not prohibiting the free exercise of religion, nor would it be if it did not facilitate this prayer. The issue is that it is encouraging religion, not banning it. Should I quote the entire Bill of Rights, even though soldiers are not being quartered in students’ houses?

        The protection of a prohibition on religion is equally important; I’m not saying it’s not. But it just isn’t happening here, so there’s no need to mention it.

      13. ryan says:

        I just realized I keep calling you Christ. Hah.

      14. Carol says:

        Ryan, the law says that the government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion OR prohibiting the free exercise of it – NO LAW, for or against religion. The government has NO SAY regarding religion. The banning of religion in schools is a relatively new thing. Schools opened in prayer, participated in prayer, and promoted prayer AND religion, ie: the worship and service of and to the Creator God, Who our government officials publicly appealed to before and during their government sessions, holding church services in the capitol rotunda and capitol office buildings for years. Check your history. These facts give evidence of the founders’ intents when they included this in the Constitution, which was that no particular branch of Christianity: Baptist, Protestant, Catholic, etc., would be promoted by government.

    2. YRRET says:


      1. BryanG says:

        Yea!! that the way you get your point across use caps ….

    3. Bobbie Campbell says:

      I will pray for you and your kids, Jessica

      1. BryanG says:

        You pray to his noodliness also!!

    4. Jeremy says:

      This is crazy. “Subjected?” Do you pray with them at home then?

      Glad to see some sense is returning at least to this school. Seperation of church and state is becoming the matra for removing God from everything.

      Have your daughter step out if you don’t want her “subjected’ to prayer. Oh the thought of it…such trauma.

      1. ryan says:

        I wonder how you would feel if your kids were encouraged to pray to Allah. If not “subjected,” what term would you use?

      2. AJsDaddie says:

        The kids aren’t being encouraged to pray to anyone. They are allowed, if they choose, to pray to the God of their choosing. As far as I’m concerned, a moment of silent prayer should be allowed at any time and any place. Those who wish not to participate are free to not do so, but they cannot complain about the actions of others.

        Again, PC has become a club by which tiny minorities attack and attempt to control the majority. It needs to stop, and prayer in school is a good place to start.

      3. ryan says:

        Then atheists and agnostics and deists (and so on) are encouraged to pray to…whom exactly?

        Some people choose no religion over religion, or religion without devotion to an active god. It’s still encouraging religion.

        Atheism and the like do complicate things for others, but few atheists are atheist out of spite of you.

      4. AJsDaddie says:

        Atheists are free to refrain from praying. They can meditate, or just sit there for all I care. But they are NOT allowed to stop others from exercising their Constitutionally guaranteed right to religious freedom.

      5. ryan says:

        No one is trying to stop you from paying. We’re trying to stop the state from telling people it’s time to pray. There’s a big difference.

        You’re still free to pray to whomever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want.

    5. OShea says:

      I love the mantra that people have. Its ok to encourage the worship of nothing however worshipping something/someone is bad.

      Its the pure narcissism that “I” am the end all greatest thing this world has ever seen. Any detraction from my individual greatness is an assault on my liberties.

      lol… I guess a growing 45% drop-out rate is what people want… As long as their civil liberties arent infringed on. Give people the freedom to fail and give others the freedom to succeed. Even though all “people” are created equal we do not all work equally hard to reach our goals. Therefor 10% will rule the 90%. gg Liberals**

      1. ryan says:

        How is silence on an issue encouragement of worship in nothing? My elementary school never told me what to buy at the grocery store. Was it secretly encouraging me to starve to death?

        Go to the grocery for food for the stomach, the schools for food for the mind, the church for food for the soul. Everything has its place. I certainly don’t go to church to learn biology.

    6. Mike says:

      where does it separation from church and state?

      1. Joe says:

        The same place your learned English grammar.

      2. ryan says:

        The First Amendment prohibits the federal legislature (Congress) from encouraging or discouraging religion. The Fourteenth Amendment extends the Bill of Rights to protect individual citizens from their state and local governments.

      3. Dave says:

        But it’s okay if it’s Islam.

        WELLESLEY — This affluent suburb found itself cast squarely into the culture wars yesterday, as controversy engulfed school officials over a field trip to a Boston mosque where several sixth-grade pupils were videotaped kneeling during a prayer service.

        As blogs and talk radio programs raged over whether the school should have allowed the trip, the mosque issued a statement saying there was no attempt to coerce the children and accusing critics of fear-mongering. The influential American Jewish Committee called for tighter guidelines for educational trips to religious settings, and First Amendment advocates said such outings ominously blur the divide between church and state.

      4. ryan says:

        Just because someone somewhere else does the same thing for a different religion doesn’t mean I’ll change my tune. Any religion supported by any government is wrong. I’d be arguing the same if this school was doing Buddhist prayer.

      5. AJsDaddie says:

        Ryan: “The First Amendment prohibits the federal legislature (Congress) from encouraging or discouraging religion.”

        The Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,”

        Nothing here about “encourage” or “discourage”. It’s very clear: Congress cannot tell you whether or not to pray, nor can they tell you which God to pray to. That’s it.

        Anyboyd can pray anytime , anywhere, and the government is absolutely free to provide opportunities for people to do so, as long as they don’t tell them they have to pray, or who they have to pray to.

        The tide of PC must be turned. The ACLU must be stopped. Sanity must prevail.

      6. ryan says:

        I’ve already explained this, but I will do it once more.

        The teachers are employees of the school.
        The school is given authority by the state law.
        The Fourteenth Amendment extends the First Amendment to the state level.
        The First Amendment says no law may respect an establishment of religion.

        The line of thinking is pretty clear, in my opinion.

      7. JasonH99 says:

        Ryan – what “law” was created by the state with respect to this? They are just allowing them time to pray if they wish.

      8. ryan says:

        No, they are telling them it’s time to pray and allowing students to not participate (I assume this last bit is true).

      9. tubaman says:

        i can tell by your grammar,you were educated in a America

    7. NOVANole says:

      Since when is prayer a form of indoctrination? I seriously doubt your hard-earned taxdollars cost a dime to “organize” a prayer read over a loudspeaker or in a classroom.

      What are you afraid of? God actually answering a prayer and kids getting higher test scores? I don’t see anyithng wrong with that. Time well spent.

      1. ryan says:

        If someone is irreligious, encouraging him to be religious where it is not your place to do so is definitively indoctrination.

        But some Christians think it is their place to convert the world (like Muslims, apparently), so they never understand the term “not your place.”

      2. MaryL says:


      3. ryan says:

        From Webster:

        “to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle ”

        If a school encourages a religious point of view, it is imbuing in students principles of faith.

        Before you respond, please note that remaining silent on the issue of religion is not the same as arguing against it. Remaining silent is neutrality–much preferred to indoctrination.

      4. AJsDaddie says:

        Nobody is “encouraged” to do anything. If you are religious, you can pray. If you are not, you can choose not to pray.

    8. MarkS1 says:

      “It is not the place of a public school to indoctrinate children”

      And you said this with a straight face?

      1. MaryL says:

        Bravo! Unfortunately large number of parents are ignorants that they have not realized what’s being taught, read the school’s textbooks and maybe I pray maybe it will open your eyes of “a year round indoctrination.”

    9. Citizen Authority says:

      First, do you and others with a like mind realize that there is no such thing as “separation of Church and State?” Go look at the Article of the First (1st Amendment) and see if the words say separation. The Founders were wise to not have a “State” religion imposed upon the citizenry but never intended to have prayer out of school! You’d be hard pressed to defend the logic. In fact, this concept has been introduced by the far left radical “God” hating court actions and taught to a gullible citizenry!

      On the other hand, I would agree that prayer can be done at home to prepare for a test asking for the blessing of God to help in the testing. Prayer should be the parents teaching their children to worship in privacy as much as possible.

      1. ryan says:

        You’re wrong. Fourteenth Amendment prohibits state and local governments from encouraging any religion.

        So while the Constitution never says the actual phrase “separation of church and state,” it implicitly means it.

      2. Derek says:

        Ryan? The Fourteenth Amendment? You mean the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution? You mean the one that was ratified on January 23, 1964? That one? It says that? Could you please explain where in the following text it says that?

        “1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

        2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”


      3. ryan says:

        The Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868 and includes the due process clause.

    10. Ackston says:

      Ah, but indoctrinating your children is exactly what your public school is currently occupied with. They are relentlessly indoctrinating your kids in the leftist/ Marxist/secular theology of “Progressivism”.

      1. ryan says:

        So that makes indoctrination of a different sort okay? Nice logic.

      2. MaryL says:

        Oh Ryan you are a product of a public school with your kind response, please oh plese define to me indoctrination and why should it be used in this situation?

      3. ryan says:

        From Webster:

        “to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle ”

        If a school encourages a religious point of view, it is imbuing in students principles of faith.

        Before you respond, please note that remaining silent on the issue of religion is not the same as arguing against it. Remaining silent is neutrality–much preferred to indoctrination.

      4. Ackston says:

        Ryan, you will notice that I never said indoctrination was acceptable and it’s illogical to conclude such a thing from my statement. Thanks for paying attention I don’t accept your implied premise that prayer in school is indoctrination however.

    11. Gabriel says:

      I’ll bet you don’t concern yourself with their political indoctrination — which may not be taking place in this school, but perhaps does in the school your children attend — But hey, who notices? You won’t see an ACLU lawsuit over that or a cry of “Separation of Politics and State” unless it becomes evident that the political indoctrination can be construed as conservative instead of communist. We know how this works.

    12. Betty says:

      Bet you don’t gripe about your government provided breakfasts and lunches do you?

    13. Laney D. Gulotta says:

      I once disagreed with the separation of chuch and state as regarding prayer in schools. However, I now agree simply because I would only want Christian prayer and no other. I would rather have no prayer than have muslim, islam, or anything other than Christian. My children, any child, can pray silently which is just as powerful as ‘group prayer”.

      1. Paul H says:

        Right on Man! This is a CHRISTIAN country, founded on CHRISTIAN principals, and I too am offended that in the name of PC, they are putting Christ back on the cross in favor of the evilness of islam. This country is indeed doomed….

    14. Catholic and Proud says:

      The public school system is full of indoctrination, not religious but political. Many people with no children are using their tax dollars to teach your kid…get over it….there law say no state sponsored religion, not the separation of Church and State. God knows these kids need all the help they can get sincee they don’t get it from parents like Jessica Morsell.

    15. Jon says:

      “Indoctrinate”? Way to latch on to a buzz word! Feel like you contributed? Nice warm ‘n’ fuzzy feeling? What people shouldn’t be subjected to is the “woe-is-me, those religious types are attacking ME!” BS you peddle 24/7. So, please, next time you have a thought (of any kind, not just about religion) do yourself and the public at large a favor, and LET IT GO. God Bless!

    16. Peter 1 vv 3-5 says:

      Wrong. Separation of church and state does not limit or negate prayer in school. It limits government sponsored religion. Any and every student, teacher, parent, concerned citizen has the absolute right to pray anywhere and any time they so desire. We have the right to assemble and we have the right to practice our faith. We are not a dictatorship (yet). If it offends you, you do not have to participate. It is not the indoctrination of children, but children and adults freely practicing their faith. A right that is guaranteed by the Constitution and the separation of church and state. These are some of the freedoms that make America so great (or used to before we let others tell us otherwise).

      1. ryan says:

        True, but the school cannot facilitate such a prayer. Students have to come together on their own to do it.

      2. JoeD says:

        Is there anything you DON’T KNOW, Ryan? Looks like you’ve got way too much time on your hands there in mama’s basement.

      3. ryan says:

        you mad?

    17. Jim says:

      You’re right Jessica. We gotta be so careful these days. The next thing they’ll be doing is say the Pledge of Allegiance, and studying WWII.

    18. liberals are idiots says:

      Jessica, you are clearly an uninformed and uneducated – or “mis”-educated. There is no such thing as “separation of church and state in the Constitution”. You liberals think you know so much more than the rest of us peasants. The Constitution prohibits the establishment of a religion by the government … as in the old Church of England, and in the days where it was law that people worship God in one religious form over another. Saying prayers in school is NOT the establishment of a religion. And as for indoctrinating kids, that’s all schools do these days … only the it’s the religion of environmentalism and leftism.

    19. Dan says:

      First, understand what the intent of separation of church and state really meant. Summarized – it meant, as was the case in England, that the government was not to dictate to the church was it was allowed do to “the church of England” ring any bells?
      Second, I too pay taxes and would like to have my child pray, what makes your way or right any better than mine, it doesn’t!
      Third, as long as it is student initiated they can to it!
      Fourth, are you serious? Let’s see, lord forbid we should post the 10 Commands in the schools, “thou shall not steal”, thou shall not kill”, “thou shall not lie”, heck, what we do if the kids actually folllowed some of these rules!
      Looking at where are current generation has gone……could it really hurt any? I think NOT!

    20. Gummint Skooler says:

      Well, Jessica, what do you think the schools are doing with your children from the time they arrive each day until the moment they finish their homework?

      Did you say, “indoctrination”? That’s right. You have turned your children over to professionals who train children for a living.

      You have abdicated to the state your God-commanded responsibility to train your own children. Are they indoctrinated in the ways of the government? Of course they are. And you’re the one who wants it that way.

      And now you complain about your own sorry choice?

      Sorry, not buying today.

    21. jimmy says:

      its time you atheists and liberals just shut up. the majority of americans want prayer in schools and dont care if you get offended. these are not prayers to allah but the true God

      1. tdog says:

        You sound like an American version of the Taliban, you need to wake up sir, your what’s wrong with the world these days not us non Christians

    22. Red Mann says:

      Hey idiot. I guess it’s OK for our schools to force students to sing to and about that other idiot Obama, right?

    23. Stephen Bruce says:

      Jessica, I remind you, “separation of church and state” is NOT in the Constitution – it was never expressed this way and was forced upon us by an unconstitutional liberal activist court. I suggest you read the Constitution.

    24. Jim Black says:

      Jessica, Can you show where the founders would have believed that the first amendment should ban prayer from public institutions?

      Stop believing those spiritual bah-humbuggers at the ACLU. Better, pray for them.

    25. hannah says:

      Oh the horror! You obviously have no problem of them being subjected to socialism. You know what, it is not my tax dollars’ job to pay teachers to protest either.

    26. Original Intent says:

      Jessica, despite the comments from these morons, you are spot on.

      No, “separation of church and state” is not in the 1st Amendment. It was taken from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. Jefferson, likely an atheist, but certainly a deist, was absolute in his support of keeping religion of out of public sphere, first introducing the idea in the VA Constitution. The key part of the 1st amendment in this case is “make no law respecting an establishment of religion”. Which, for those challenged in the area of literacy (most of the commenting crowd here), is another way of saying, “separation of church and state”.

      Leave your superstitious, Bronze Age philosophies to yourselves and keep them out of our public schools. Prayer is the last thing we need in schools. What is needed is for parents to take an interest in their children.

      1. Dan says:

        LOL…..”Prayer is the last thing we need in schools. What is needed is for parents to take an interest in their children.” really, and how is that been going?

        Perhaps what is needed, is prayer for parents tro take an interest in their children.

      2. Original Intent says:

        Though I don’t think prayers would help, Dan, I would be open to the idea. Well, so long as you don’t try to force my kids to join the superstitious ritual.

      3. Dan says:

        I don’t believe in forcing anyone to do anything they don’t want to (it’s a choice), just don’t force my kid NOT TO pray if they so choose to.
        “superstitious ritual” – that’s a matter of opinion, yours. For anyone that has never prayed. open or read the bible in it’s entirety, that’s just plain ignorance.

      4. Gary says:

        “[My views on Christianity] are the result of a life of inquiry & reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other.”
        — Thomas Jefferson
        (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
        Source: letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Apr. 21, 1803

    27. IN FAVOR OF PRAYER says:

      Let’s see – you don’t believe it is the job of YOUR tax dollars to pay teachers (etc) to conduct orgaized prayers in school and you feel those who want their kids to pray should pay for private school? You do understand we also pay tax dollars for the schools? If we have to use private schools or homeschool ,etc. then OUR tax dollars should be returned to us, since we are not using YOUR schools. Without OUR tax dollars, your barely above water schools would be more of a failure than they already are. Why should WE pay to educate YOUR children, or to have OUR children indoctrinated with the religion of Humanism or turned into pagans?

      1. Original Intent says:

        Muslims pay taxes too, not to mention Satanists. Shall we institute organized Satan worshiping as well?

        I do agree, you should not pay the same taxes for public schools if your child goes to private schools. In the same vein, people without any children shouldn’t pay any form of school taxes either.

      2. John Manuola says:

        Everyone is missing the very important fact here that THE KIDS WERE NO PART OF THE PRAYER TIME. They were simply being PRAYED FOR. The offensive element to this issue…to those in the ACLU…is that the teachers were coming together to pray. And frankly, I think teachers are Americans too and have a right to freely assemble and a right to freely exercise their religion.

    28. phranq says:

      Be real Jessica. You don’t think your children are being indoctrinated already? They are taught what liberals think are moral and acceptable lifestyles, they are taught what liberals think are and moral and acceptable behaviors, they are even taught what liberals think are moral and acceptable thoughts. Finally, they are taught that there is no place for God in their school. This is the real indoctrination that is taking place.

      1. Original Intent says:

        I was “indoctrinated” in public schools all my life. Despite your claims of liberal bias in these schools, I am a staunch conservative. Much more so than the posers here. I actually believe in the Constitution, even if it doesn’t support my personal beliefs.

      2. phranq says:

        @Original. I’m glad God blessed you with the power to overcome.

      3. Original Intent says:

        God didn’t bless me with anything. Let’s reason for a moment that God exists and does take an interest in our individual lives. Not only is he interested, but he intervenes, or “blesses” as you would say. If that’s the case, you must accept that God gives children terrible diseases from birth or has a hand in causing natural disasters. Not only that, but since no one knows what God thinks, you must accept that he may even enjoy blessing us with such tragedies.

    29. bigtimeliberal says:

      this has nothing to do with seperation of church and state. people like you and the aclu and liberal judges have stretched and misformed this part of the constition total as to what its original meaning was. if you sneeze in school and someone says GOD bless you the aclu comes with guns blazing.

    30. David says:

      Please read the constitution. No where does it mention separation of church and State. The 1st amendment states that Congress Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or Prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
      It is the courts that have basterdize the Constitution. Now, if anyone was forced to pray you may have a point, but the ACLU doesn’t want to give people the choice to pray or not.

    31. Mitch says:

      There is no such thing as separation of church and state. Your kind indoctrinate children in acceptance of deviant sexual behavior, far left secularlism and hatered for anyone that does not abide by yiour twisted little perversions. All of those things are okay but, don’t you dare pray for knowledge.

    32. Greg says:

      I find it interesting that my child, the son of a Christian, can be indoctrinated with secular humanism and communism at school, and my tax dollars, with out my consent, can be spent on aborting the next generation, also without my consent, and you are worried that praying for better test scores will destroy your child? Where do your rights supersede that of others? You must be really special to be allowed to trample a large group of other peoples rights to demand your own rights! Our society demands give and take.

    33. Richard says:

      Jessica– maybe you should home school your kids–that way they would not have to pray. my tax dollars are paying for your kids to go to school also. how often do you take your kids to church.. I bet never. i feel sorry for your kids because you are depriving them the opportunity to receive life eternal. hopefully as they grow older they will realize this.

    34. ConanTheRepublican says:

      Sieg Heil, right?

    35. Rick says:

      So Jessica You may have a point and lets say thats true. Tell me where I should be forced to pay for healthcare if I don,t want it. Or maybe ILLEGAL immigrants housing, or out of state tuition for illegals. Why should muslims in New York get to shut public streets down or block hallways to bathrooms because they are allowd to prayi and no one say’s anything, I bet you won,t disagree with that. and to get back to the point no one can make anyone pray or believe in any specific religious beliefs that they don’t want to believe in. I am simply stating that it is not wrong to allow a time for voluntary prayer in any educational system. We allow time in schools that are based on theories and then call it science. why is it wrong to teach about every religion around the world and be tolorant. However when anything about christianity is taught . WE SCREAM VIOLATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. maybe we all need to search our own souls and explain why. Why is it that todays science teaches you how man has evolved. but it can’t explain human feelings like love or trust or caring for others or any part that drives the human spirit. Mans science has no answers for that.

    36. skynyrt says:

      And my children should not have to be subjected to liberal viewpoints that I strongly disagree with. My do not feel like my tax dollars should be used for such.

    37. Larry says:

      And exactlty where in The Constitution is “separation of church and state” mentioned Jessica? Perhaps you should be in school with your kids. And pay attention this time around

    38. Wayne says:

      Oh, but my poor Jessica, your children ARE being indotrinated, in the government indoctrination center. They learn all kinds of neet stuff, like how having abortions, being gay or transexual, and being rebellious to parents is good and OK. Heaven (excuse the pun) forbid that they should acknowledge God almighty and say a prayer before a test.. it may warp their little minds!

    39. Pat says:

      Jessica, Does that also apply to schools that have teachers singing songs to Obama? Go back and read what seperation of church and state ACTUALLY means. May GOD bless you!

    40. JoeD says:

      Ryan, you’re all over the place with your opinions, yack, yack….straightening everyone else out. Give it a rest and get a damn job, for heavens sake.

      1. ryan says:

        I have a job and go to school full time. I don’t have any weekends, actually. It kind of sucks.

    41. programmed says:

      huh but it’s OK for your public school to indoctrinate my child with Gay is OK, and Save the Whales, and how it’s OK to be racist and vote for a black guy for Presdient eventhough he’s not qualified because it will be some imagined milestone for some dope smoking hippy shangri la world view, and unions are great and cars are evil and tolerance for teenage sex because it’s not up to your parents to raise you, and Christianity is hateful so we’ll just go ahead an have Christmas without it etc. etc. etc. just checking to make sure you aren’t a hypcorite or anything.

    42. Phid says:

      “It is not the place of a public school to indoctrinate children, evenly the seemingly willing.”

      Your children will likely be “indoctrinated” by liberal beliefs in the public school system regardless. Do you have as harsh of a reaction toward that kind of “leftist evangelizing”?

    43. William C. says:

      There is no constitutional separation of church and state.

    44. Chris G. says:

      Sorry Jessica, but there’s no clause about church/state separation in the Constitution. I suggest you get your facts straight.

    45. Shannon_Atlanta says:

      jESSICA, I hate to say this, but there is no seperation of church and state. The constitution does not say that

    46. libertyhill patriot says:

      It seems you’ve been indoctrinated well. Learn the facts and stop pushing our country into the immoral cesspool that America-haters have created. You must be reading the Communist interpretation of the American Constitution. The ACLU is a mainstream America hater outfit.

    47. Erin says:

      Jessica, If it is not the schools job to indoctrinate our children, then I want them to stop telling my child about how she should be eating, watching TV, Drinking only water, that it is okay to learn about Islam but not Christianity, having my child tell me what is right and wrong instead of me teaching her that, and the list can go on and on. I want to schools to let the ones that want to pray, pray to whom ever they pray to, and then teach reading, writing, math, science and history in all aspects not just one groups view of it.

    48. John Manuola says:

      the children were NOT “subjected” to anything as heinous as someone praying to God for their benefit. The kids weren’t there. They were safely left hovering around the bathrooms where they were taking turns talking to the local drug dealer and pedophile.

    49. John Manuola says:

      I have a question for Ryan, who thinks he knows the Constitution so well. If the founding fathers believed that holding a prayer service where free people come of their own free will to exercise their personal religious beliefs should NOT be permitted on government grounds, then why was the largest Sunday church service in Washington D.C. held in the capitol building…all during the first years of this country’s existence? Why did Thomas Jefferson, who penned the “separations of church and stat” phrase to the church in Danbury, attend the services in the Capitol Building often?

      1. John Manuola says:

        Neither history or logic jives with what you are saying, Ryan. The phrase “wall of separation” didn’t even appear in court decision until the 1940s, when FDR had successfully planted sufficient numbers of Progressive justices into the Court to achieve some of his agenda for America.

    50. RDNKKKGRL says:


  4. robert says:

    I bet there is also a prayer service in Alanso’s office before the test: “Lord, please let them pass, it’s not the kid’s fault these teachers suck.” Prayer is just a good way to do nothing and still think you’re helping!

    1. Lisa says:

      “Prayer is just a good way to do nothing and still think you’re helping!”

      Absolutely true. Keep the Woo out of our schools.

      1. YRRET says:


      2. joe says:

        you’re pathetic lisa.

    2. Wow, you went to public schools obviously.

    3. Frank says:

      for whosoever shall call upon the Name of the LORD shall be saved, that includes You, Richard. He that Hath the SON hath life, he that hath Not the SON shall not see life but the wrath of GOD ABIDETH on him.. For GOD so loved Richard that HE gave HIS only begotten SON that Richard believing on HIM shall not perish but have everlasting life. That is for You, Richard. Either scoff or believe. Eternal life or eternal death in hell, GOD gave You, Richard, the choice to make. Accept ME or reject ME. What will it be Richard>>>

  5. DMR says:

    Jessica is correct. This is a public school. No one should stop a student from praying but it shouldn’t be sanctioned or obligatory. Students are free to pray individually, to any deity they so choose, but it should not be a public school function. The Constitution is actually very clear about this.

    1. bridget says:

      if they want to pray i think that should be ok as long as their not being forced. Even in private Catholic Schools you were never made to pray, it was always your choice.

    2. Dave says:

      Exactly which constitiution are you referring to?

      1. Catholic and Proud says:

        They are referring the to the one they made up, since the original one no longer suits there needs.

    3. Scott says:

      Read the constitution your comment is ignorant. Nowhere does it say that prayer is not allowed it states that the state cannot create a religion not that you can’t practice one.

    4. Steve says:

      Really, can you point out where in the Constitution is says prayer should not be a public school function?

    5. Patricia says:

      Where exactly does it say that? And do you want to tell me why schools since the beginning of this republic used Bibles if separation of church and state was Constitutionally supported? Why we have the ten commandments and various Bible passages strewn throughout our Capital buildings? Someone’s moral code is going to be taught in schools and the one that replaced Scripture isn’t working.

    6. falconbjg says:

      Really where does the Constitution say this..

    7. DON SOUTH says:



    8. ProfK says:

      You’re incorrect. The Constitution does not forbid prayer in public school–or anywhere public. Even Thomas Jefferson supported the use of the Bible and prayer in public school. Liberal judges who do not understand the Constitution have made no prayer in public school clear.

    9. Pafrog says:

      The First Amendment to the country’s Constitution prevents the Federal government from making any “law respecting an establishment of religion”, and guarantees the free exercise of religion. The Supreme Court has interpreted this as preventing the government from having any authority in religion.

      The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as Christians. Non-Christian religions (including Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism), collectively make up about 3.9% to 5.5% of the adult population.

      So the constitution supports religion and a vast majority of the citizens of this country beleive in God and prayer.

      Logic dictates people, Wakeup and smell the coffee. Rule by minority dissent is comming to an end.

    10. softunderbelly says:

      “The Constitution is actually very clear on this” Really? Where? Actually.

    11. Gabriel says:

      Do you really think the Colonies that ratified the Constitution would have done so had our present-day interpretation of “Separation of Church and State” deemed into the Constitution been presented to them? If I recall my history, I believe many of the Colonies were religion based, Rhode Island, so I think not.

    12. John Manuola says:

      the irony of such ignorance is that the very schools that you would have us believe should be free of religion have failed to teach you sufficient history so as to realize that our Founding Fathers never would have agreed with that idea. In fact, our Founding Fathers believed deeply in the need to teach the Bible and Christian principles to our children. I can show you where they said such things. if you wish. I can also show you how our Founding Fathers felt about instilling faith into our government and how they never once felt it inappropriate to exercise one’s faith on government property.

  6. Nita says:

    So this has been going on for two years and this is the first anyone’s heard of it being an issue? I’d like some more detail before I have a hissy fit and even if it is true, I seriously doubt it’s hurting anyone. I find the negative and disdainful and inconsiderate posts are by those that disagree with the school’s policy, I wonder if maybe those people need a little prayer.

  7. Dina Shahmohammadi says:

    In the public domain, it should be all or nothing. If you think a prayer service is acceptable, how about your kids participating in a prayer service completely alien to you. Such as a prayer facing Mecca, Hindu incense, how about some peyote smoking prior to test time. Are these the prayers that the middle school is having? If you’re not willing to allow your children exposure to those examples of spirituality, Particularly in a place that my children are mandated to atttend by law….then no services, Christian included, should be allowed.
    Now if you’re willing to share the prayer’s I would go for it.

    1. YRRET says:


      1. K. Reux says:

        And Yrret, this isn’t a question of what an adult might be willing to do as one who can intelligently choose without unnecessary coercion. We are talking about elementary and middle school children. There is a difference.

    2. K. Reux says:

      Have to agree with you, Dina. I am a Christ-follower, however I don’t particularly want my children being coerced into a religious practice they may not understand (e.g., a Hindu prayer, Buddhist mantra, Muslim prayer facing Mecca, prayer to Gaia) and one that I would have a problem with. If I don’t want someone forcing their religious practices upon my child, I certainly shouldn’t force mine on someone else’s. That’s a Christian principle by the way: the golden rule.

      1. big time liberal says:

        k reax. what bible do you read??/ golden rule has nothign to do with anythiong or do you think its actually in the bible.the christian principle is GO INTO ALL THE WORLD BAPTISING THOSE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.

    3. jimmy says:

      this is where you are wrong. americans are christian and a majority. there will be no facing mecca in this country. if they want to live here then accept our God or get out. try reading the constitution and stop trying to twist it.

    4. Really? says:

      Your children are not mandated to attend a public school by law (unless Maryland has outlawed homeschooling and private schools as an option). If you don’t agree with the indoctrination, political agenda, and exposure to moral filth in the public school system, then exercise your freedom to educate your children yourself. My children have never spent a single day in public school and they are much better off for it. They are intelligent, respectful, considerate of others, articulate, creative, and can think for themselves. They have a a strong moral compass and are not swayed by what others think or tell them to think. I wouldn’t describe too many children that way who are a product of today’s public schools.

    5. John Manuola says:

      where in this report did it say that the kids were participating? And where did it say anyone was “compelled” to participate?

  8. Iana says:

    Were the students FORCED to join the prayer? Or was it something that if “you would like to join you can” scenarios?
    I don’t understand how people can be bent up on this. Its prayer. If you believe that it can change things, maybe so. If you’re one who doesn’t believe, then there is no harm in it.
    Do they seriously think, students who participate in this will come out scarred and broken?
    Goodness, get a grip people. What you allow your kids to see on TV is far more damaging than a what they would witness in people praying.

    1. K. Reux says:

      What do we mean by force. When an authority figure says: “We are going to do this together” that is force, even if no punishment is proscribed. Even if the principal says it is voluntary. When my boss suggests I do something and says it is voluntary, I still feel obligated because I know it will affect his view toward me and toward my work.

      Children are much more influenced by this kind of “suggestion”. We really need to think this through.

      1. John Manuola says:

        Goodness, listen to the report…read it. WHERE did it say any child was a part of this prayer?

  9. JOJO DANCER says:

    Not only should pray be allow in schools, but some of these parent should be praying at home with some of these thugs they send to our public schools.

  10. Tim W says:

    So by your reasoning it’s OK if the school led a Muslim prayer. Because according to you if the Christian children don’t believe there is no harm in it. I swear that is what I hate about many Christians. They feel it’s OK to push their religion but if the shoe was on the other foot they’d be throwing a fit. Religion whether it be Christian, Islam, Hindu or any other has no business organized in a school. If a child wants to pray individually they are free to do so.

    1. Frank says:

      quite a debate going. any light as yet?? let’s start from “in the beginning”. What is Prayer? Simply talking to our Creator, Jehovah GOD. Communicating with HIM and HIM alone. Simple. We are commanded by GOD to PRAY without ceasing, that means all the time, non stop, even while sleeping, even while in the school house being indoctrinated by unbelieving teachers/professors, or even while replying to others about prayer. As GOD said, for whosoever shall CALL (another word for PRAY) upon the NAME of the LORD shall be saved. He also said that For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. FOR GOD SENT NOT HIS SON INTO THE WORLD TO CONDEMN THE WORLD BUT THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED. That leaves it all up to each of YOU. Bellieve and be saved, don’t believe and be damned. However, you are condemned already, those of you who do not believe.. Our Constitution was written by GOD=fearing men and influenced by Baptist preachers, like Roger Williams. Islam IS being taught/preached/practiced in America’s gov’t schools today.

  11. Baltimorebob says:

    Well I say to each there own if the kids ate ok with it then let it be we all need to have are heads checked if we are angry over kids praying what is so wrong with it dont you pray

  12. cms827 says:

    Our country was founded on prayer. If you don’t like it feel free to move on. Did anyone ever hear of In “God We Trust”. I agree with the person that said that is what is wrong with kids today they have no faith in anything or anyone. This county is going down the toilet fast.

  13. Debbie says:

    ew, prayer, how could they? stop them before they hurt themselves…………………… but make sure they have access to condoms and other forms of birth control, please!

  14. Kay says:

    Prayer is good…for some people. As for me being atheist, I would not like to hear that my kids were praying in school. It is not right for a public school to brainwash my children. It was said that if the kids didn’t want to participate then they wouldn’t have to…why should my kids be left out on the side lines and stand there feeling like an outcast? This is a public school and it is not allowed. Pray on your own time.

    1. Jopmcg says:

      But it is ok for the school to infringe upon freedom of expression and to brainwash other’s children into thinking that there is no GOD!

    2. Ken says:

      KAY by your reasoning there shouldn’t be any organized sports in school either because your kid sits on the side lines.

  15. Dave Hansen says:

    $1000 to anyone who can show me the phrase seperation of church and state in the constitution.

    1. SickNtired says:

      Dave, half these people have no clue what the constitution is, just read their posts.

      1. Dems are dumb says:

        And what they do know, are lies, misinterpretations, and just plain hate for the Constitution.

  16. Irving says:

    Let’s hear it for the American Silly Liberties Union!

    1. ConanTheRepublican says:

      How ’bout the American Communist Liberal Union?

  17. Sam says:

    Gee the only complaint is the ACLU, I wonder if the prayers were in Arabic would the ACLU complain?

    1. sj says:

      If a kid wanted to throw down a prayer rug facing the east, it would be OK and protected, and the ACLU would lead the charge, hand in hand with the DOJ.

      1. ConanTheRepublican says:

        Ain’t it the truth?

  18. Mac says:

    “Students are free to pray individually, to any deity they so choose, but it should not be a public school function. The Constitution is actually very clear about this.”
    Where, exactly, does the Constitution say this?

  19. Mike Friend says:

    Prayer is of course not magic. It is not a good luck charm and should not be seen or practised as such. Prayer is speaking to God. And of course no one should be forced to speak to God who does not want to. In fact no one can indeed be forced to do such a thing. And no one can prevent such a thing.
    So there is no need for conflict here. Those who want to pray will and those who do not want to do so will not. As a Christian I would pray. and I would encourage other Christians to pray.
    To those who do not want to pray and do not want prayers….do you want us to pray against you ? Should we pray for Japan ? Or should we pray against Japan ? If prayer is something powerful then which side are you on…if prayer is not powerful then what are you worried about ?

  20. brandon says:


    Separation of Church and state was set up by the founders to make sure there was never one church people had to attend and believe in like there was in Europe. They wanted people to be free to be methodist, quaker, luthern, catholic, etc. The founders had no problem with religion in the public square.

    1. Dems are dumb says:


      The wall of separation, and no kids can pray to our Chrisitian God all day in our American schools shoukd they choose to.

      is lam on the other hand, is not allowed.

  21. Joe says:

    The ACLU needs to keep their communist noses out of this issue. Its of no concern to them commies. If the school wants to offer prayers before the big tests then that’s the schools right to do so. Its a protected right under the constitution.

  22. fur real says:

    Quit praying and get on with the instruction about proper condom use. Oh, and there are only a few months left to plan the “Celebrate the Sodomite” day and the Hip Hop brawl — ehhh — I mean dance.

  23. jim says:

    God bless this country because someone has to. This state has taken five steps backwards. Ther is nothing wrong with what they did.

  24. Skip Stutler says:

    sometimes the ACLU is wrong…just as wrong as the people they go against mostly,,they can be badly wrong when there wrong,,this is one of the instances they need to stay out of it

  25. CaseyInLauderdale says:

    KKKristoFascist kkkreeps! Keep your fairy tale philosophies away from our kids. European kids do SO much better than American kids in school. And it is because they do not allow fairy tale Skygod philosophies to intrude on students’ ability to learn and process information. What a f’ed-up place KKKristian fundamentalists are making of our once great nation…and the KKKristofascist dunces are too ignorant to even realize it. Sad.

    1. scott says:

      You need help and need to check your facts. You sound like an uneducated monkey.

    2. Jopmcg says:

      Yes and a bigot like you is what we want children to emulate?

      The nation was founded by Christian Fundamentalists. The nation grew to be on of the greatest in history as she strove to fulfill the great commission. It is only after the third attempt to use the Danbury letter that Christ was taken out of schools. What did we get as a result, you ask? Easy look in the mirror and you will see the collectives ignorance personified.

      1. CaseyInLauderdale says:

        Another case in point. It appears these mind-numbed respondents did not bother to comprehend my statement. Too much G-whiz Skygod fairytale philosophy damaging their excuse for a brain. GET OUT OF THE CHURCHES AND INTO THE LIBRARIES! At least SIT in a library and PRETEND you have a brain and free will to exercise it.

    3. Dems are dumb says:

      We prefer your children to be brought up in ha te and misinformation. We prefer your kids be dumb like the dem party. We prefer your kids to be indoctrinated in the lies of the left. Go ahead. Its better knowing now, your kids dont have a chance, and ours will succeed due to your ignorance about life and your kids.

      1. CaseyInLauderdale says:

        My 2 children are already thriving…1 is a physician and the other is a legal intern. I wonder about yours? I believe that you and your kkkristofascist ilk dumb down your children. Pray for them. As for me, I will wish them the best in spite the the blanket of judgmentalism and hatred that you as a kkkristofascist fundamentalist smother them with. (As an adherent of sky god philosophy instead of rational thought, I hope you understand my use of “smother” to be figurative.)

  26. Patrick says:

    Will someone please show me in the Constitution where the phrase “Separation of Church and State” is? All of you (obvious) scholars out there must be able to find it immediately.

    It looks to me like these teachers and students are just exercising their 1st Amendment rights.

  27. Scott says:

    Without God we have no United States. Last I checked this country still has a vast majority that beleive in God roughly 75%. We are a representative Republic and most want God represented

    1. Dems are dumb says:

      Thats right. You got it right.

  28. Robert says:

    School should be about learning, not faith. Keep religious fantasies out of the public sector. It’s good for the public, and the well-being of your ridiculous faiths.

  29. Ben says:

    It’s Baltimore City. A prayer is their best hope. Sadly.

  30. CaseyInLauderdale says:

    Scott is a case in point. Thanks for proving my point 😉

  31. Dems are dumb says:

    The left hates that America is founded on Christian beliefs.

    Schools and teachers have failed universally nation wide, with the fact WE as a nation are 35th in science, 31st in math..

    Better pray more.

    Because the teachers and schools and the dems are ALL failures for children.

  32. K. Reux says:

    Separation of Church and State is not in the constitution, however Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase. I am a Christian and I have raised my children to be Christian. While I don’t want to over generalize, I would be willing to bet that most people who want prayer in public school only want “Judeo-Christian prayer” as opposed to Wiccan prayer, Gaia prayer, Hindu prayer, Muslim prayer, etc.

    One poster made the very true statement that prayer is not magic. If people are not helping their kids at home, if children are not encouraged to study, if parents do not take an active interest in their children’s work, all of the prayer in the world will do them no good. Christian prayer was never to be a panacea or a magic amulet.

    Do we want prayer in school because it makes us feel good for not taking the time to help our own children. Do we want prayer in school because we think it will magically make schools better? No one can actually keep prayer out of school. But we should be very careful what we wish for, or we will have wiccan, buddhist, muslim, and other prayers organized in school. If you push for one you MUST allow the other.

    Our schools are in sad shape not because Madelyn Murray O’Hair and the removing of prayer from school. They are in sad shape because parents have removed themselves from an active role in their kids’ lives.

  33. Slade says:

    TEACHER;S PRAYER:: Lord, give me students with sufficient IQs to learn basic material , and the tests will take care of themselves.

    1. Gummint Skooler says:

      Student’s Prayer: Lord, give me a teacher who can correctly capitalize and punctuate before she tries to teach me. Amen.

  34. Mary says:

    Since consistency is so very important for children, I’m sure the atheist sets a good example for her children, and does not take paid time off from work for Christmas and Easter.

    I feel very sorry for your children. Hopefully, they will not hold it against you when they grow up and realize you gave them nothing larger than themselves to believe in.

  35. Dems are dumb says:





    1. ryan says:

      Many founders also had slaves.

      Should we?

  36. loubou says:

    Why don’t we just follow the constitution? Last time I read it, it said the same thing it has been saying for 200 years. “CONGRESS shall make no law…”. That means that the soverign states who created the federal government intended that the feds would would keep their assin’ nose out of our business regarding religion. Want a state religion in Maryland? Go for it. Would that be right? In my opinion, no. But according to the constitution that is for Maryland to decide. Apparently not even the Supreme Court can read.

    1. mark says:

      I think you may be the first to get it right here. The 1st amendment is written as it is to keep government out of the church’s business. Anything beyond that is an incorrect reading. I love how the libs like Ryan think “free exercise thereof” is irrelevant.

      1. ryan says:

        It irrelevant to this article because the free exercise of religion is not being prohibited. I think laws against murder are irrelevant here as well, because no one is being murdered, but that does not mean I support murder.

    2. ryan says:

      The Fourteenth Amendment extends the Bill of Rights to the state level.

  37. Learning says:

    “Outrage” is an over-the-top descriptor for this. Outrage is SWAT teams doing no knock raids and shooting people and TSA agents putting their hands down your pants . Prayer never hurt anyone. The ACLU needs to get its priorities straight.

  38. Dems are dumb says:

    As you are born in the name of Christ, you should live like it.

    Learn like it.

    Love like it.

    There is no love for GOD among the AFL-CIO

    What a bunch of hypocrites.

  39. jeckart says:

    Prayer = change. Check out this movement to unite 1 million students around the country in STUDENT-LED prayer at every junior high & high school in America. It’s called CLAIM YOUR CAMPUS. What most people don’t know is that student-led prayer is perfectly legal.

    1. ryan says:

      I support this.

    2. Kaley says:

      I think this is awesome. It is really sad that people are angry because people pray in school. The schools are failing maybe it is because not enough people are praying and prayer was stopped in schools in the 60’s. This country has been tremendously blessed in so many ways.

  40. Dion says:

    The big problem is that the students were not kneeling and bowing on a magic carpet. Then it would be just fine with the ACLU.

  41. Gabriel says:

    Where’s Joe McCarthy when you need him? It’s time to route this sorry bunch of socialists from our midst. Banish them to Cuba, I say. Better yet, convict them of Crimes Against Humanity and sentence them to 20 years of church attendance — but not in Rev.(?) Wright’s church. We’ve seen how that turns out.

  42. K. Reux says:

    Instead of turning prayer in school into a “free speech issue” (which is really what this all amounts to), why don’t you just actually pray the school? We get so angry when we feel our rights are trampled upon, but how many actually, actively, pray for schools, teachers, administrators, and children? Do you pray with your children about school? Or do you complain because prayer is not allowed in school?

    Truth is, we just don’t like people telling us what we can or can’t do. So if you tell me I can’t organize a prayer service with kids in school I get angry. But the fact is, public teachers should not be the ones organizing prayer. There is no law that prevents children from organizing their own prayers. Instead of expecting teachers to do it all, raise kids who will show the leadership to form their own prayer group.

    1. K. Reux says:

      oops. meant pray for

      1. sup says:

        fixing tags.

  43. Joyce Putnam says:

    As they say as long as there are tests there will be prayer in schools. Amen.

  44. Harry says:

    As long as there are math tests in schools, there will ALWAYS be prayer in the schools!

  45. Rich Lehmann says:

    Baltimore could use a bit more praying if you ask me.

  46. Mike S. says:

    Before judging, people should find out how it was handled. If it was just “suggested” like “Let’s take this moment and pray if you would like” then I have no problem with it. If they lead the children in prayer, then in my opinion that would be wrong. That would be overstepping the boundary for any religion. Let’s say they pray to Jesus Christ, that would be wrong to Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, or other non-christ based religions. I have no problem with religion, what I do have a problem with is when it is “pushed” upon those who believe different from their point of view.

  47. Shasta says:

    We live in a country where everyone has rights and we are so “politically” correct except when it comes to Christianity. We would rather adopt 10,000 self help programs then allowing prayer in a public school. We pride ourselves and tell everyone how “Liberal” we are when in fact we are becoming the most narrow minded of nations where religious freedoms are concerned.

  48. CaseyInLauderdale says:

    The kkkkristofascist mind numbed kkkreeps indoctrinating our most precious crop…our kids…with their fairytale sky god philosophies should be out picking up the garbage in front of the school instead. Too much time on their hands? Do something USEFUL! (I guess their kkkristofascist minds are as messed up as the garbage strewn sidewalk, so they do not perceive it to be filthy.)

    1. Bill says:

      You are the reason people cheat on their taxes — we don’t want our money going to support your kind.

  49. HarlanR says:

    If the kids chanted “Allahu Akbar” or offered sacrifices to Gaia, the liberals, er, uh, I mean, progressives, would be okay with that.

  50. neiowan says:

    I have just one question. Since they started praying, have their test scores gone up? That would be a real story!

  51. Jason Alexander says:

    Time for some education. There is no mention of “separation of church and state” in any federal or state legislation in America. That phrase was invented by a socalist judge in the 50s. Beyond that, our first ammendment freedom of religion is not a freedom “from” religion. People have the right to pray any way they want, wherever they want, and to try to inhibit that in any way is a direct violation of the first ammendment. These people trying to silence prayer in school are actually the ones violating the first ammendment. Beyond that, it is ironic that these same liberals will support Sharia law, which is actually religious imposed law. This is exactly what these people claiming “separation of church and state” should actually be getting worked up about, but won’t because they don’t want to offend the sensitive Muslims.

  52. j says:

    How about just giving the kids a moment of silence to “reflect’? Only they would know if they’re praying, studying, or thinking about the next ball game. Would it really hurt? I do agree it shouldn’t be “led” because the person praying out loud may not reflect every child’s belief

    1. Mike S. says:

      I think you summed it better then I did. I completely agree.

  53. Hank Warren says:

    This is all about limiting Free Speech. After all, censorship is everywhere. The gov’t (and their big business cronies) censor free speech, shut down dissent and ban the book “America Deceived II”. Free speech for all.
    Last link (before Google Books bans it also]:

  54. Imainfidel says:

    amazing 2011 all the evidence we have that there is a creator the liberals not only wont ask him for help they feel its their god given responsibility to stop everyone else from enjoying a relationship with the one that promises to be with those who believe whatever the situation .

  55. jeff says:

    Its funny, I wonder how many of the posts above would have been okay if the prayer had been to Alla or Buddha? This is why we strive for a true separation of church and state. In some religions it is blasphemous to even pray out loud.

  56. Tony Wright says:

    Tell the ACLU to suck it up. Since communists do not believe in religion they want everyone to deny the history of this country which is not only steeped in religion but literally soaking in it since 1620. It’s one of our strengths. The ACLU will be prayed for.

  57. Bmoney says:

    Yep!, With all the crime, high dropout rate, single teen mothers, drug use, abortions up and violence in the inner city schools I can certainly see how some would be “outraged” by a prayer before a test in school. We aould have to take time out from teaching about same sex marriage to have a nice prayer……It is so sad what has happened to this once great nation. I am blessed because I came up throught the public schools before all thia anti God nonsense was made into law.

  58. Gabriel says:

    A more accurate title to the article would have been: Many Outraged Over Prayer Service Held Before Tests; But Many More Not.

  59. Shawn says:

    I am in no way religious, but my first thought at the headline was “why in the world would anyone be outraged over a prayer??”

    Then I get to the article, and I see it is actually only the useless, race baiting, religion bashing, America hating ACLU once again being “outraged.”

    And I lost interest.

  60. amitor says:

    The fool had said in his heart There is not God.Psalm 14;1.Not wonder why our schools are failing.. Big surprise for the fools when they wake up after they die.

  61. Gummint Skooler says:


    The same place your learned English grammar.

    March 14, 2011 at 9:05 am”

    “The same place your [sic] learned English grammar.”

    Thanks for serving up that heapin’ helpin’ of delicious irony, Joe. I’m enjoying my breakfast.

  62. Shabonn says:

    Does the ACLU have a child in that school? If not, what is their legal interest in what the school is doing? The Constitution forbids the establishment of a government sponsored church, like the Church of England. It does not outlaw all religious observance in schools or local government.

  63. RSE says:

    Headline should read – “Many outraged over ACLU’s silly little running about like rats with leather briefcases”

  64. Chris says:

    Would the ACLU be upset if a Muslim was leading the prayer? Probably not.

    Rule of thumb: If it upsets the ACLU, it’s probably not much of a big deal anyway.

  65. Jim Black says:

    “Many” are outraged at the public school prayers? I could find only a few here who are outraged. It is a small minority of Americans who oppose prayer, which is desperately needed everywhere. Come on, you people. A little prayer never, never, never hurt anyone.

  66. Garr Obo says:

    Though I am not a religious person (actually an atheist) I see nothing wrong with having a little prayer before a test so long as god (whoever that is) or Jesus, Moses or one of them other guys like Mohammed, Confusious, Moon, Koresh, Jim Jones, etc. is not brought up. Lst them have at it.

  67. Texan in Africa says:

    When are the American people going to pull their heads out of the sand and take back our rights as a free nation? My God, ACLU, LULAC, NAACP and others are shoving their own agenda down our throats and we are standing back and allowing it in the hopes that someone will do our fighting for us. We are the land of free are we not or the land of the cry babies. Remember when the teachers were spending valuable time teaching the kids the song praising Obama and we stood back and allowed it to happen again and again. Get real people and stand up now before the US is nothing but a nation of I don’t care anymore.

  68. CaseyInLauderdale says:

    Hey, Kkkristofascist kkkreeps! If cleanliness is next to godliness, CLEAN UP the front steps of Stench Tilghman High! Your energies are misplaced, dudes.

  69. Bonnie says:

    I’ve lived long enough to have seen the socialization and civility of Americans both when prayer was in public schools (that’s where I learned my Christmas carols) and when God and prayer was removed (swept away in all areas). The difference is as opposite as light and dark, and the change has NOT been for the better.

  70. Truth Detector says:

    Folks, before you all get so bent out of shape over this, compare the content of this piece to its title: “Many Outraged Over Prayer Service Held Before Tests”.


    And the evidence that “many” are “outraged”, please? CRICKETS

    ACLU = “Many”?


    1. Pray2Day says:

      Praying in school for two years before one group of miscreant ambulance-chasers [ACLU] makes a peep about it.

      That constitutes “Many Outraged”?

      Uhm, no.

  71. Muawiyah says:

    The anti-God people are really so tiresome.
    Kind of a one-track mantra they use every single time.

    They’ve inspired me to create a song in their honor!

    Hey, church, leave those kids alone.
    They don’t need no education

    They dont need no thought control
    No dark’ligion in the classroom

    Church leave them kids alone
    Hey! Christers! Leave them kids alone!

    ACLU wants you to be just a brick in the wall.
    ACLU wants you to be just a brick in the wall.

    1. ryan says:

      Or perhaps we respect religion too much to see government ruin it, like it does with so many things.

      Kids can pray. Just not when they’re told to by schools.

  72. S.S. says:

    But I am sure a “Call to prayer ” in the name of False god Allah would be just fine and dandy.

  73. Liberailism is a Mental Disorder says:

    This nation was founded upon Christain principles and Prayer!!

    In order to break an impasse on the Constituion, Benjamin Franklin suggested a 3 days of prayer for God’s guidance. The result was our Constituion.. George Washington and the other member of the Constitutional Convention prayed publically before each session.

    If we were not a praying Christain nation. then we would be like Communist China and the ACLU would be in “concentration camps!!

  74. Furthermore says:

    Many times I have attended a social function where the M.C. asks for a moment of silence for someone who passed away. During that moment of silence it is hoped that a little prayer or loving thoughts are entertained in connection with the deceased. I see nothing wrong with the teacher giving the students a moment of silence during which they can focus on the upcoming test and ask for help in whatever form they choose – God, Allah, Jesus, Buddha, etc.

    1. CaseyInLauderdale says:

      Silence Is Indeed golden. Just don’t allow Kkkristofascists to fill it up with their hate-filled, judgmental mindnumving skygod philosophies!

      1. muawiyah says:

        Such a bigoted statement on your part.

        I think America has more than it’s fair share of them. Can we ship YOU out first?

  75. lounghd says:

    Har Har Har No prayers in school I say hey get over it fools live and let live

  76. JL says:

    Funny how liberals are outraged over silent prayer in school, yet never complain about the fact that the government designates any religious institute as tax-exempt. Shouldn’t they be all up in arms at how the government is sponsoring religion? Liberalism is a mental disorder.

  77. Muttley says:

    As long as there are tests in school there will always be prayer in school – Anon

    It’s past time to defund and ignore the Antichrist Communist Lawyers Union. To love liberty more then false tolerance, to live our lives the way we see fit and certainly not as some flunky God-hating liberal lawyer demands.

  78. Voice of Thunder says:

    Let one storm or tragic event happen and everyone is holding hands praying no matter what religion and its ok. Yet if a single classroom in one school in the whole nation prays, we pull out the guns and cry. Whom do we cry for? Those who are praying or those who are not. When tragedy comes in the form of a natural disaster, should we cry foul if a school class prays for them or other victims around the world. It hurts no one except mans own pride that some actually have faith that a higher power listens to them.

  79. LorenzoLlama says:

    Thanks ACLU!

    Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name….

  80. GW says:


    I think you should pray that you never need help.
    The FIRST Amendment reads like this….Perhaps you should review it!.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    How clever of you to change the word “establish” to “endorse” to support your argument…which now is baseless…

    Good luck in your life…You’re gonna need it!
    But I would expect that from some one who is afraid of the truth…

    1. ryan says:

      Technically, I changed the word “respect,” not establish. But I did so, because if I said the government is not allowed to respect religion, there would be some who would misconstrue that to mean governments are required to disrespect religion.

      Either way is fine if you understand the context, though.

      Thank you for your well wishes. I hope life is good to you as well.

  81. TJD says:

    I pray to our lord that through his intersession the ACLU will just go away and stop pushing their liberal anti-christian, anti anything point of view. Please lord make these idiots go away and lets bring some sanity back into this world for the sake of this nation. saying a prayer at a school is not establishment of an organized religion.

    1. raykenn says:

      Well said ! For those that do not want to pray, don’t. But you do not have the right to tell me I can not.

  82. NotAChristophobe says:

    Reading through these comments one might conclude that most of the English-speaking Christophobes have gathered in one place at one time.

    How many separate Christophobic posters are there here, posting under multiple names, perhaps? Four, maybe?

  83. heriberto Suarez says:

    Many outraged? C’mon! It is just the atheist ACLU imposing its anti-religion philosophy over us.

  84. Chuck Phillips says:

    Separation of church and state is a lie. Read the Constitution for yourself and you will see that phrase is not in there.

  85. Doug says:

    Only a problem for a few nut cases. Those in favor of the prayer need to voice as much outrage against the protest. The squeaking wheel gets the oil. I wonder if they would object to the praying if they were hanging on to debris in the Sea of Japan!

  86. John Kirk says:

    Remember, Christ said to pray for our enemies:
    Dear Lord, we ask that you continue bringing the American Civil Liberties Union to the hands of your people. May their employees and affiliates be overcome with your love and forgiveness enabling them to allow you to be who you are in their lives.
    In Jesus’ Name, I Believe

  87. howie says:

    The schools were a much better place when prayer was allowed.

    1. FreddyWilson says:

      …along with corporal punishment…and the stocks…and the dunking stool…and the scarlet letter…YES…let’s bring it all back….that’s the ticket!!

      1. What? says:

        Thats right, praying is akin to physically torturing and killing! You know, Apples are round like oranges. Great connection there.

  88. Vince says:

    I thought there was real “outrage” until I read the article. Its only the ACLU whose upset (as usual).

    Baltimore has a very larg black polulation. Im sure the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY have no problem with prayer in public school. In fact they want it back. OFFICIALLY.

    Another reason why we as Black americans need to jump off this “liberal plantation” and join those who subscribe to our religious teachings as well.

    Where is the “Reverend” Jesse on this. Oh Wait, hes too busy comparing collective bargining to the civil rights movement.

    1. G says:

      That’s fine and dandy, just don’t expect my tax dollars to support it.

  89. Gary says:

    To begin with, you will not find the separation of church and state anywhere in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or the Declaration of Independence. Let’s do some more study on this.

    The First Amendment’s “Establishment Clause,” says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
    The truth is the idea of “the constitutional separation of church and state” that is the basis for the legal transformation of America into an atheistic, secular state, is not only total nonsense, but a big lie.
    At least 6 of the 13 original states had official, state-supported churches – “establishments of religion”! As a matter of fact, these states – Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and South Carolina – would not ratify the new national Constitution unless it included a prohibition of federal meddling with their existing state “establishments of religion.” Connecticut and Massachusetts supported the Congregational Church and state supported churches did not end until 1830.
    The U.S. Constitution prohibits any religious test for federal office. Seven states, however, have language included in their Bill of Rights, Declaration of Rights, or in the body of their constitutions that require state office-holders to have particular religious beliefs. These states are Texas, Massachusetts, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Tennessee.
    The section of the Constitution that deals with religion is Amendment I of the Bill of Rights.
    There’s the “Establishment Clause” (“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”) and the “Free Exercise Clause” (“or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”).
    The “Establishment Clause” is the one today’s courts usually focus on; it simply prohibits the federal government from “establishing” a national church, or from interfering with the established churches in the states! (Remember, several states already had state-supported “establishments of religion.”) The founding fathers made it clear they did not want a national religion, this being the reason many people left England. The evil was, so far as those who spoke were concerned, appears to have been the establishment of a national church, and perhaps the preference of one religious group over another; but it was definitely not concerned about whether the Government might aid all religions evenhandedly.
    The day after the House of Representatives adopted the First Amendment’s religion clauses, Rep. Elias Boudinot proposed a resolution asking the president, George Washington, to issue a national Thanksgiving Day Proclamation.
    Washington responded with a Presidential Proclamation full of religion and assigned it to Thursday, the 26th day of November.
    Using a little common sense along with this history shows us that the First Amendment’s religion clauses could not possibly mean what the ACLU and many of today’s judges say they mean, since there is simply no evidence of it in history. It’s the first and most important right in the Bill of Rights, and there are absolutely no examples of this modern, radical, anti-Christian interpretation being applied during our nation’s first 150 years, this tells us so much.
    If people really are convinced that our Constitution – that was created, fought for and died for overwhelmingly by Christians and God-fearing people – requires that the Christian faith be taken out of government, then there’s really little hope for us as a nation.

    1. Mark says:

      Excellent. Let’s see if Ryan and Casey’s attention span are long enough to digest and comprehend your post.

    2. ryan says:

      This is all well and good, but the Fourteenth Amendment extends the First to the state level, prohibiting states from enacting laws respecting religious establishments. If you want prayer in schools or state religions, you need to repeal the Fourteenth Amendment.

      Personally, I would be interested in seeing what happens. I think part of the reason many Americans are so avid about religion is because it is kept out of government so much. I think if we experienced a good dose of state religion we would fast become one of the most irreligious societies in the world. It would be interesting to see at least. We are a rebellious people.

      Also, a presidential proclamation is not a law passed by Congress, and so was not a violation of the First Amendment.
      Christians who died for America died FOR AMERICA, not for themselves. It would be asinine to adopt their beliefs and opinions when they were actually fighting for the right to have our own.

      Anyway, many state rights went out the window when Lincoln preserved the union. It was the cost for a united nation. So many of the arguments for state individuality you put forth are irrelevant in our age.

      1. Gary says:

        Yes, the Republic did get trashed by dishonest Abe. The brunt of the problem we have is due to the fact you will find no mention of education in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. You also will not see any mention of the government educating children in the bible. People, who founded this country, escaped England and forced tithing to the National Church. What we have now is forced tithing to our National Church, which is called Public education.

  90. G says:

    Let’s have a contest… you spend your time praying and I’ll spend my time studying and let’s see who ends up with a better test score. If I was a bettin man I’d put all the $$ on myself.

    Another terrible example of our system. Gee guys lets spend time praying that we do well instead of learning the material. No wonder things are the way they are…

  91. Jason says:

    ALL students pray before test!!!

  92. greg says:

    Civil Liberties group is destroying America – we need to get rid of that group – How disgusting – if people want to pray that is their civil right – so who’s rights are you representing – the civil liberities group is one sided….

  93. Brian says:

    Baltimore is where madalyn Murray (O”Hair) filed her lawsuit to stop bible reading, prayer, and other religious ceremonies in the public schools. She prevailed and won her case when the Supreme Court upheld the decisino that prayers in public schoools are an unconstitutional exercise of religion.

  94. FreddyWilson says:

    Look at all the “SELECTIVE” outrage already posted!! This is EXACTLY why religion is justifiably kept out of our schools. Whether you are deeply religious or an atheist…who wants to contaminate the learning process with debates about who believes what and whom they are willing to kill to support their beliefs Wake up boys and girls.

  95. Brian says:

    before a test, it’s best to have studied and learned the material.

    There is no such thing as ‘god’, so Crying won’t help you, praying will do you no good.

  96. beegee17 says:

    Does everyone agree that our Education system is failing?

    As a “non” believer I’m coming around to the idea of having religion in schools. I grew up Lutheran but turned against the church when things stopped adding up with christianity. I think we should give out vouchers and let private industry start building schools. If they want to be religion based… so be it. Parents decide! Not teachers unions and politicians.

    Let’s try something different!

    1. ryan says:

      Students can try taking tests while standing on their heads, but it doesn’t mean it’s going to work.

      Religion was tried last century, and the results weren’t too good.

      1. beegee17 says:

        RFLMAO! “Religion was tried last century, …”

        Please provide your facts or “results”. Where are these results listed?

        You may want to do some research. This country has never had a religious educational system. I didn’t say exclusively religious schools. But since you brought it up. Kids in private or religious schools have similar issues but are definetly more prepared for life then public schools.

        How come you can take kids from bad schools and put them in a charter school and they can thrive? I’ve seen in first hand. If public schools were so good why do people leave at the first chance?

        This country needs to cleanse itself from the teachers unions. Get the govt out of education.

      2. beegee17 says:

        “Students can try taking tests while standing on their heads, but it doesn’t mean it’s going to work.”

        How do we know? We haven’t tried anything except union teachers and govt run schools!

      3. ryan says:

        Religion was woven into the curriculum in the early 20th century.

      4. FreddyWilson says:

        BEEGEE want to fly at a different altitude…so be it.
        I’m 68. I remember when I was in 8th grade, Connecticut, and the class used to say the Lord’s prayer….When the Roman Catholics ended the prayer, a few Protestants used to finish with one more line. I always felt awkward when that time came. I’m glad it’s gone. Religion, and religious practices can sometimes cause a division in the group…not matter how slight, and that division is best left behind!! I spent my high school years in a private school, and even there religion was kept to a minimum. But, on the other hand, a private school can do whatever it wants. It’s not bound by the state laws in that respect.

  97. Miguel says:

    Death to The Left, if you want our society to grow and prosper. The left hates us all, hates religion, hates freedom, and hates the people being prosperous. They need us to be weak and afraid.

    That’s what this whole discussion revolves around: the ACLU and it’s leftist agenda-ists want to take away your freedom to pray. That’s why the left is always mad, angry, outraged and blaming others for all of their unhappiness: the emotional building blocks of PC.

  98. Vince says:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

    Three main words. 1. “Congress”. 2. “Law”. 3. “prohibiting” We know who congress is and we know what a law is.

    Where on earth is allowing group prayer before a test in any way, congress making a law”.

    It seems to me those who dont support prayer always want to forget about the clause “prohibiting”.

    The face is the first amendment was in place to ensure that an official religion (or lack thereof) was not put in place by government. The “establishment clase” is an extremely wide over reach in my opinion.

  99. Linda says:

    Our forefathers NEVER meant for separation of church and state to mean taking God and prayer out of anything. They meant for the government to keep their hands out of the church and what it does. Our forefathers would have been the first ones to pray and seek God over a situation. The ACLU is an evil organization who would like to take God and prayer out of everything and anything. But we will not allow them to do so. God comes first and, if we honor Him, He will take care of the ACLU. So ACLU get your stinking hands out of our freedoms.

  100. snapper says:

    So, has the prayer worked?

  101. Bill says:

    hello Obama!!!!

  102. U.S. Common Sense says:

    The prayers are not mandatory, and they are before class starts. There is no issue here.

  103. jschmidt says:

    It couldn’t hurt.

  104. Daniel says:

    Just tell the ACLU it was a Muslim prayer.

  105. Nathan says:

    RELIGION IS THE GREATEST DETRIMENT TOWARDS THE PROGRESSION OF SOCIETY, AND WILL EVENTUALLY BE THE DOWNFALL OF MAN. I just wanted to thank all you sheep for proving my point with your comments. Doesn’t your alah or god say not to judge, and look at all you people judging.

  106. Saharab says:

    “U.S. Common Sense

    The prayers are not mandatory, and they are before class starts. There is no issue here”

    Not debating that, just clarifying the mistaken posts of those who claim to understand or know the Constitution.

  107. John H. says:

    Devine intervention is the only thing that is going to help the large numbers of underachievers produced by the Baltimore public schools to pass the test.

  108. Crusty old Effer says:

    The ‘hidden agenda’ so to speak is this: the left must stop our reliance on the true God in order to supplant Him with a new god…the State. It’s that simple. Read Marx…for starters Have a good week everyone. See you in church, I hope.

  109. nikki says:

    I’m still trying to understand. Prayer in any situation is not wrong. What about children being molested, abused(should they not pray) or what about people with cancer, aids or other diease. Jehova gave us the greates gift and that is free will. However we don’t give thanks not one time. How many of you have given your olny child to die for people who want to sit up on there hi horse and B!@#$ and complain about what r you doing to improve ther test scores are u being a mentor or making sure they have the proper tools they need to learn. People we need to get it together the way the world is today we don’t have to much longer and at this point we could all say a littke prayer for ourselves and each other. Whatever happened to being human?

  110. Tomray says:

    I find that most people who are against religion are either IGNORANT or want to be considered GODs themselves. Left wingers and Commies,especially cant stomach the idea that they wont be “the highest power”—and still be considered subordinate to a God by the people they hope to enslave. THATS why they feel a need to get rid of religion and why it upsets them so much.

  111. David says:

    ryan simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about, evidently not understanding what the words “establishment of religion” mean. In the late 18th century everyone knew what it meant to have an established church: several states had an established church (e.g., the Congregational churches in New England). This meant that the government supported one particular church, with its system of church government and worship, and obliged its citizens (of whatever religious persuasion) to contribute to its support. In England there was such an established church: the Anglican church; in Scotland it was the Presbyterian Church which was the established church. What was prohibited here was such an established church.

    What was not prohibited was the free exercise of religion: no one imagined that there was any prohibition in respect to prayer, Bible reading and the like in any public institution, whether Congress, the courts, or public schools. Ryan suffers from a lack of real education; the ACLU, so far as I can tell, actively suppresses an understanding of what is Constitutionally required so as to be free to pursue its anti-religious agenda.

    1. ryan says:

      This is the best argument against my opinion, but I think Christianity itself is an establishment of religion. While the broad idea of Christianity certainly does not reside in a church, I think this limited view of religion is more of a loophole. Certainly, the globalization of communities has spread many ideas to the point where Christianity is not competing between Presbyterians and Anglicans, but against Muslims and Hindus and Jews and Buddhists and, yes, atheists. The danger of the Reformation to the Industrial era resides in hatred between sects. Now, that hatred has evolved to a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality, so I think it is wise to adapt to this change in world perspective by evolving our notion of what an establishment of religion is.

      I can understand why one would disagree with me, though.

      1. Zack says:

        Ryan, I am glad to see that you recognize the disctiction regarding church and general religious philosophy, The Roman Catholic Church being the former and Christianity being the latter. Our founders had zero intention of removing religious philosophy from government (hense God on our money) but were concerned about a religious institution with its beurocratic head having more direct influce over legislation than the voting public.

        That being said, Ryan is is right on this subject. The problem here is simply that the school is facilitating the prayer. If students get together on their own, even if they got a faculty member to participate, and had their own pray that did not take away from official class or test time then prayer would be appropriate. I know some people would want it to have to be off campus and not during operating school hours but that is senseless. There are plenty of school clubs that use school facilities that are in their own way biased. Schools should be able to have religious clubs and organizations if the students request, they just shouldn’t be given any degree of favoritism (as in being able to miss class for any sort of worship service.)

        Ultimately, a public school of its own accord initiating a prayer is a violation. Especially if done during class time. I say this being a person who attends church every Sunday and prays daily. I am saddened at how our country has abandoned God in some many way but I belive that schools are not the instruments to resolve that. That is the role of the churches and families. If people choose not to attend or believe, that is their right as Americans and as children of God with free will.

      2. Mark says:

        Read St George Tucker or John Taylor of Caroline and you may end up disagreeing with yourself. Trying to follow your logic gives me a headache.

  112. potvin says:

    Outrage. It’s an outrage. I’m outraged at being outraged. It’s an outrage of an outrage. Can you tell that I’m outraged? If the glove don’t fit you must acquit. Outrageous. Outrageously outrageous. The ACLU is outraged and so is Jesus.
    Can you feel the rage in the outrage?

  113. brian says:

    the important thing is! is it working? i am led to suspect that it is otherwise the media would tell us. they don’t report the good that religion accomplishes. God bless whomever came up with the prayer idea.

  114. jammies says:

    If the students stood ONLY ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, would THAT be good enough for the ACLU to leave them alone?!!!

    Probably NOT…….

  115. JNCali says:

    The United States was founded, as where its educational institutions, upon the basic foundational understandings of Christianity (as understood in that time period). Liberty, Justice, Self-Sacrifice, Humility, Generosity, Love, etc… all the attributes of Jesus as He demonstrated and taught.. and is still teaching believers. The problem is always that someone decides to ‘fly the Christian banner’ over an organization or company that in know why follows the tenants of Christ, therefore bringing disrepute to Christianity as a whole. True Christianity reflects those aforementioned attributes, which in any culture, would be respected and not legislated against.

  116. Randy R says:

    I am not here to debate prayer in the public schools, though I have some opinions on the subject. But my wife and I followed a model (in Portland Oregon)we heard of on a trip to Hawaii. It is getting the local churches to pray for the public schools outside of school. Each student and staff gets prayed for at least each week. At the school we did it in, there was an 85 % drop in crime on campus, the biggest gain of test scores anywhere in the city and what ended up being a lot of people showing up to volunteer in the school as touter’s and building repair people. You can look at the following website for some more info.

  117. debbie says:

    i don’t see any harm in it they were praying because of a test we should put prayers back into school these kids now a days need it come on people really get over it.

  118. Farm Boy says:

    The situation in the liberal state of Maryland is this: No one wants to allow prayer anywhere or call an illegal immigrant an “illegal”. As a matter of fact, in spite of having a large budget deficit, some in our legislature want to give taxpayer funds to illegals in the form of in-state tuition to public universities.

  119. pigeon says:

    The ACLU members and their followers are a bunch of back stabbing hypocrites who are “angels” of Satan and will be going straight to hell when they die!

  120. PG Hall says:

    I am OUTRAGED and DISGUSTED over the state of our naiton – which seems contented to be headed quickly in overdrive on the highway to destruction.

    We have just simply LOST OUR MINDS! What in the world is wrong with children praying in school before a test? AMEN to that. First, it is before school, 2nd – it is not mandatory. I AM SO DISGUSTED with the IDIOTS at the ACLU that seem to feel they have to defend the “DESIRES” of one or two and destroy the freedom and rights that the rest of us cherish and hold dear.

    IT is time we stood UP and STOPPED THE UTTER INSANITY spreading in this nation. I wish I know how to do that. The only thing that is something I can do immediately is take the time and respond to the utter TRASH of such an article.

  121. Justin says:

    To Ryan… There are Bibles that have “For use in public schools” that were once used in the class room. These were government issued might I add. Prayer and the Bible were both intended for schools.

    Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.- Jefferson

    So why do you say prayer in school hurts the constitution when Jefferson says its inadequate without it?

    1. FreddyWilson says:

      Government issued Bibles? I tried to look for proof of that and could not find any. Maybe I didn’t enter the right search words. Where did you get this info? Thanks.

  122. starykozel says:

    That so called “Civil Liberties Union” is doing their best to take away from everybody his/her’s freedom of thinking and act. What qualifies those dogmatists? Why is the public paying them any attention? Just ignore them and remove from his/her’s office any official who supports their requests.

    1. Mark8131 says:

      Because the progressive loonie left sheep make up a good protion of our country. Ignoring them won’t work!!! That’s why we are in the state we are in. STAND UP TO THEM. Then they will go away. Get out the vote. Our nation is suposedly 80%+ christian, prove it!

  123. jwestham says:

    i take it whoever agrees with this, would have no problems within a Muslim dominated area, if they held Islamic prayer before tests, right?

  124. drcusmc says:

    Our Father hollowed be ;thy Name, Thy kingdom come thy will be done as it is in Heaven, give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespases as we forgive thoes who trespess against us, lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen

  125. Jeannie says:

    The world is falling apart, and we’re telling our children not to pray…God help us all..

  126. Wildey Moore says:

    The defintion of religion is: ONE’S HEART FELT BELIEF. Everyone at the age of reason has heart felt belief, some include God, some don’t. NO one is without religion. Some are fanatical about their beliefs, some passive.
    In america today, people whose religion is without God and people who worship Satan are moving to an upper hand. Considering the strength that America had and America was founded on a belief in God, the results of the experiment of being without God are obvious

  127. Gary says:

    As long as nobody was required to participate or chastised for not participating, no big deal in my opinion. If they wanted to have a Muslum call to prayer, the same rules should apply (but they won’t)…

  128. JustAGuy says:


    Somebody PRAYED AT SCHOOL!!!!!!!!


    THEY PRAYED!!!!!!!!

    OH THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!

    1. JQP says:

      real men don’t say “OMG”…. even in jest.

  129. tld62 says:

    Would someone tell the ACLU that there are bigger things to fear in this world than prayer. Why is this so offensive?? The Constitution has been twisted and misinterpreted regarding religion— saying a prayer in school is NOT “ESTABLISHING” a religion. In the meantime I think I’ll pray for the ACLU’s enlightenment!

    1. What? says:

      I am just glad that the AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union was protecting Americans from the ‘Evils’ of prayer, and not defending illegal immigrants or foreign terrorists from the ‘Evil’ American’s.

  130. Blaidd Drwg says:

    How dare they? Don’t they know those who would conspire to pray in school are EVIL?(Applies only if they pray to God, in a Judeo-Christian format. If they pray to allah or to some other false god it’s ok.)

    1. JQP says:

      Are you talking about baptists? lutherans? Protestants? Catholics? Presbyterian’s? Episcopalians? Pentecostals? … just trying to figure out which of those is the right one…Oh! and let’s make no mistake here, Islam is a Judeo-Christian religion… same story…same characters…different tangent.

  131. Skychief says:

    Our founding fathers opened each session with a prayer. There were around 10,000 Bibles printed exclusively for schools in the 1700s. Our entire country was based on freedom, especially freedom to worship how you wish to. We can have students study witchcraft and pagen ideals, but we won’t allow the Lord’s Prayer. Seperation of Church and State was designed so one religion did not dominate the country as it did in England. Not to keep God completely out of the classroom. Where are the Christians rights ACLU? Why do the same lawyers from the ACLU fight for Sharia type law when it comes to Muslim rights in this country?

  132. Augustine says:

    Prayer? Outrageous. Pornography? No problem.

    O age, thou art shamed.*
    O shame, where is thy blush?**

    -Shakespeare, Julius Caesar,* Hamlet** h

  133. JB McMunn says:

    There is a difference between the right to pray privately before a test and having a government-operated entity endorse and enforce the behavior. The former is a Constitutional right, the latter is a violation of the Constitutional separation of church and state.

    Matthew Chapter 6: “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

    1. spock says:

      Where in the constitution does it say Scholls can not have prayer???

    2. JustAGuy says:

      JB McMunn, please don’t take the Bible out of context in order to support a twisting of the founders intent in the Constitution. Separation of Church and State CANNOT be found in the US Constitution.

      It is a concept that was introduced in a private letter AFTER the Constitution was ratified. Then in the 1940’s, Justice Black, know anti-Catholic unilaterally decided this concept would be a part of the Constitution in order to conclude Catholics would be prohibited religious access to the public schools.

  134. spock says:

    It is NOT aainst the Constitution to say prayer in Public Schools or anywhere else. it is made up by the libs who hate religion

  135. A. Guerrero says:

    The US Constitution clearly says the state cannot adopt a national religion, the way it somehow got twisted to mean that no one should even have to look at a nativity scene, a Star of David, or have the opportunity to pray is a shame.

    1. spock says:

      Acvtually it says the Federal congress can not, it says nothing about the states!!

    2. Tom Bright says:

      Great point. Sa-ay … why is it the ACLU never, EVER sues to enforce the second half of the religion part of the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”?

  136. qwerty says:

    Obama and the State Department are funding Mosques with tax payer dollars – no outcry from the ACLU on that……

  137. Sensible says:

    Their 9 month school year is almost over. Summer sun and fun for the teachers is almost here. They must be exhausted.

  138. tman says:

    Ryan is an Idiot–there is proven power in prayer–Why is it that when Gays came out of the closet God went into the closet.
    Prayer left the schools and now the kids are out of control.
    Kids don’t get the moral/values at home anymore, they respect nothing.

    1. JQP says:

      once again, a Christian calls some one a name… man your Jesus-freaks are MEAN!

  139. Tom Bright says:

    Even here in Godless California, typically only one parent complains, and sometimes not even that. But if the ACLU hears of a potential publicity opportunity, it threatens an expensive lawsuit, away from which schools scurry.. Another tail-wag-dog situation: English survey last year found only ONE PERCENT think they’re alternately gendered, confirming a Swedish study from 10 years ago. Yet 100% of our tinies have to be indoctrinated on the lifestyle experiments of that ONE PERCENT?

  140. Ned Mierzwicki says:

    Another guy:
    The first time I ever taught in a Baltimore Public School (Gywnns Falls Junior High & back in 1968 -ancient history), the first assembly had the students singing the National Arfrican-American anthem, “Lift every song I sing, to God my king…” a poem to song created by James Weldon Johnson. Well, that was an eye-opener, since I didn;t know there was any other anthem than the National Antherm (which by the way was not made National until 1929 if I have that date correct). But here they were singing to God in a public school???
    So, thirty years later, my kids are in a Baltimore County Public School for the Christmas (oops, Winter program) and the children are singing about dreadles, frosty, and other frivolity. How times change!
    Praise to God will never be out of the hearts of mankind – Come, holy spirit, fill the hearts of thy faithful..

  141. Orthodox Christian says:

    Look here, it is not so hard to pray. If people really wanted to, they wouldn’t care about ACLU or whatever, they would just pray.

    O Lord, of Thy heavenly bounties, deprive me not.

    O Lord, deliver me from the eternal torments.

    O Lord, forgive me if I have sinned in my mind or my thought, whether in word or in deed.

    O Lord, free me from all ignorance and forgetfulness, from despondency and stony insensibility.

    O Lord, deliver me from every temptation.

    O lord, enlighten my heart which evil desires have darkened.

    O Lord, as a man have I sinned, have Thou mercy on me, as the God full of compassion, seeing the feebleness of my soul.

    O Lord, send down Thy grace to help me, that I may glorify Thy name.

    O Lord Jesus Christ, write me down in the book of life and grant unto me a good end.

    O Lord my God, even if I had not done anything good before Thee, do Thou help me, in Thy grace, to make a good beginning.

    O Lord, sprinkle into my heart the dew of Thy grace.

    O Lord of heaven and earth, remember me, Thy sinful servant, full of shame and impurity, in Thy kingdom. Amen.

    O Lord, receive me in penitence.

    O Lord, forsake me not.

    O Lord, lead me not into misfortune.

    O Lord, quicken in me a good thought.

    O Lord, give me tears and remembrance of death, and contrition.

    O Lord, make me solicitous of confessing my sins.

    O Lord, give me humility, chastity, and obedience.

    O Lord, give me patience, magnanimity, and meekness.

    O Lord, implant in my the root of all good–Thy fear in my heart.

    O Lord, vouchsafe that I may love thee from all my soul and mind and in everything do Thy will.

    O Lord, shelter me from certain men, from demons and passions, and from any other unbecoming thing.

    O Lord, Thou knowest that Thou dost as Thou wilt, let then Thy will be done in me, a sinner, for blessed art Thou unto the ages. Amen.

    1. frankfletcher1 says:

      O Buddah thank you for your wisdom.
      O Satan – smite my enemies
      O Elvis – Return toh Sender.

  142. Travlntexan says:

    For most people “prayer” is a last ditch effort…and the Baltimore School System is definitely IN THE DITCH! Anything is better than their silly “BELIVE” campaign…and that was when O’Malley was Mayor…now that he is Gov…we can only assume the entire state is at risk!

  143. Superpower says:

    Is praying to Mecca out of the question, or would that be considered “cultural sensitivity”?

  144. Charles says:

    Praying is so much more dangerous than building a mosques or 9/11. Hurry everyone and run for cover, we are being attacked by prayer!

  145. Keith says:

    The convenient thing about praying for higher test scores is the convenient thing about praying generally… If it “works”, glory to God, it’s a small miracle. If it doesn’t work, well… God works in mysterious ways and everything happens according to his plan/design, right?

  146. Ellen Butler says:

    The school is absolutely within its rights to pray. The only thing it can’t do is force students to pray, and nowhere in this article does it say they are doing that. The “outrage” is probably more hyped than actual, and they really should be more outraged that their little darlings are sharing drugs and having sex and hearing vulgar language all day long at school. Let’s see if it’s the parents who are outraged, or some bystander who heard about it and contacted the ACLU. If the parents, teachers, and school admin are OK with it, then it will be allowed to continue.

  147. zef says:

    Oh Lord won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz, my friends all have porches I must make amends, hey it worked for Janis Joplin.

  148. Superpower says:

    The Baltimore School District went bankrupt on then Mayor Martin “boy prince” O’Malley’s watch, so they elected him Governor…I think we ARE a stupid people after all.

  149. Christos says:

    Where is the ACLU outrage over TSA airport screenings and the Patriot Act? Hmmm….I guess it’s really not about civil liberties it’s about an atheist commie political agenda…

  150. ApplyCS says:

    If you have to argue with someone about/for prayer – take a minute and pray for them.

  151. tinala says:

    I’m sure a lot of students pray on their own before a big test

  152. Cross Reference says:

    ryan Wrote:

    Richard: so my options are let the Constitution be trampled or go to China where it already is?

    Interesting point of view. I disagree, though. The cool thing about a free state is everyone can express their opinions–even you.

    True however, if you had your way it would be different. We would not to be able to pray or worship God at all. . . . and it is fast approaching when you and yours, aided by Islamaphobia, will have your way. Can’t you see that? Its coming at us like a freight train.

    1. ryan says:

      I like religion. I just don’t think the government should be meddling with it. Why do you assume I want religion banned?

  153. Scribe says:

    Poor Ryan – we need to pray for him.

  154. Shawn says:

    You know what would have made this a relevant story? Changing the headline from “Many Outraged…” to be “Parents Outraged…” Because as far as I can tell, they’ve been doing this for 2 years, I’m assuming a large portion of the parents knew about it. Certainly the faculty knew about it. The students knew about it. No one had any problems with it… until the ACLU found out about it.

    The event was held at the school and fliers were passed out at the school, but no one was compelled to attend and it was never cited as anything other than a non-demoninational prayer. So the Constitution was never violated. Students who didn’t want to attend didn’t have to, and students of all faith were welcome and able to pray as they wished. Which is exactly the spirit of the “Shall establish no law”

    Perhaps the bigger story here is that public schools all over the area are holding extra study sessions on weekends in order to teach the kids how to take the tests. Maybe we could find some outrage on that instead of whether or not someone said God inappropriately.

  155. Sad Patriot says:

    Why doesn’t the headline read “Most Not Offended at all by Prayer in Schools”? Obviously schools in America need help from above BIG-TIME!!! Here is some information you should read that you were probably never taught in your public school – – it is from the Library of Congress. So long as we are “One Nation Under God” I will continue to pray that “God Bless America”!!! I can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want Christian values taught and carried out in their nation???

  156. Steve in St. Louis says:

    God no longer has a protective hand on America.
    America has pushed the hand of God away.
    Let the chips fall where they will, but don’t complain.
    The complaints will fall on the deaf ear of God.

    1. JQP says:

      don’t think much of your god, do you

  157. Doug says:

    Ryan: I will pray at school, at work or at play. I will pray for you and all your liberal anti-God fanatical friends to die. I don’t usually pray or practice religion but I will now start. Why? Because I will praying for a better world without a$$wipes like you in it. You don’t like prayer and religion that’s OK but stop your vitriolic rants and go someplace and die. Not quietly, not peacefully but slow, painfully. Thank you.

    1. ryan says:

      This sounds pretty fanatical to me.

      Why do you want prayer in schools if you’re only going to pray for me to die or for your sons to pass tests? Shouldn’t you be praying for me? The sick are the ones who need doctors, after all. I forget who said that…

  158. Mr Bill says:

    Ryan – don’t waste any more time on these morons. they aren’t holding to facts, they are holding to faith based in ignorance of the law. The courts have been very clear about this and will continue to be. Mainly because for most, this is not hard to understand. quite the collection of toads that have gathered here to croak about it incoherently though.

    1. Mark says:

      The main moron here is Hugo Black. You and Ryan are tied for second.

  159. Brown says:

    When you take God out of the school system you bring the devil in.

    1. JQP says:

      Let’s bring the government into your church…see how you like being shamed into practicing your beliefs according to some one else’s rules.

  160. Ijiwaru Sensei says:

    As the old bumper sticker said, “As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in school.”

  161. independent says:

    If any US citizen wants to have a voluntary prayer group, that is exercizing their right to freedom of religious expression.

    Everyone should be supporting such freedoms, particularly when used in a responsible and tolerant, and voluntary fashion as this was.

  162. Sardondi says:

    Well, yet another headline which doesn’t match the story. So “many” are “outraged”, eh? But the story says only the ACLU, the original usual outraged suspect, has its panties in a wad. Not a thing about any individual citizens being mildly perturbed, much less “outraged, and certainly not “many”. I suspect we’ll find out a tiny handful of “professional community organizers” have found another pot to stir.

    But we sure can’t tell from this ridiculously uninformative non-story.

  163. independent says:

    Those attempting to oppress freedom of religion are guilty of the very thing they fear most – oppression.

    Take an honest look. There was no harm in a voluntary session. Public school facilities are used for religious ceremony all the time.

  164. Tharen Vass says:

    The issue is more basic than prayer — it is whether or not we have reverence for God in our culture. Prayer is an outflow of acknowledgment of God’s existence and that he is a “rewarder of those who diligently seek him”.

  165. sunnyhill says:

    The rewards from God are joy, peace, protection, answers to our petitions in prayer such as help in a time of need, but ultimately life lived eternally in his presence where there is no suffering, rejection, evil.

  166. steve says:

    @ryan: “If the Constitution says…” what do you mean if? You can read the Constitution. It doesn’t say government can’t encourage religion. It says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…” Pretty clear that the ACLU skews their interpretation to be prohibiting religion instead of the free exercise thereof.

  167. John says:

    OH NO! I’m so offended by something I don’t believe in! OH NO! I’m so offended by what I consider empty words babbled by moron believers!

    Idiots liberals. They don’t know what they believe.

  168. NowSwimBack says:

    The ACLU is angry because they didn’t use burkahs or prayer shawls

  169. John says:

    Who cares if people want to pray? Idiot liberals don’t even believe in it, so why should it bother them?

    I don’t believe in it either, but I could care less if someone else wants to pray. OMG my kids might hear it!!! Big deal. Liberals are such morons.

  170. Kelsonus says:

    Yeah, we have nothing better to be worried about in our schools

  171. DWC says:

    Ryan, please quote the total statement of the 1st amendment as it refers to religion.”Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF”. Doesn’t say except for public schools or any govt building or grounds. What part of “free exercise” do you not understand. It does not say exercising your freedom of religion has to be in a church or any other designated location.

    1. ryan says:

      The state does not enjoy the right to religion. The students can pray. The teachers can pray. But the teachers cannot lead the students to pray, because they are acting on behalf of the state during that time. No one is arguing that prayer should be banned.

  172. JOJO DANCER says:

    Proverbs 22:6
    Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it. Pray is a conversation between you and your God what ever it should be. The problem in our high school are not the teachers indocrinated the students, it’s the parents that do not teach thier children respect and responsiabity at a early age at home.

  173. glenp says:

    the only people offended are the GODLESS HORDES we call DEMOCRATS and LIBERAL

    1. JOJO DANCER says:

      Glenp, are you saying that repubilican are the only ones that pray. They are not, but they do need to pray more than other for forgivness of thier sin agaisnt the americn people and humanity.

      1. jes2 says:

        JOJO, you are the biggest chunk of dog squeeze I’ve seen here today.

        “Sin against the American people and humanity”? (BTW, I can spell and use captital letters – try it some time).

        What a total, complete, DemoDork lie.

        No group of people, be they religious or political, has a lock on who is ‘without sin’, or even better.

        But there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that the leftist, liberal, progressive Democrats are the lying, deceiving, dishonest, hating and absolutely America-destroying cancer of our country by ten country miles. Period.

        And a lame, illiterate statement to the contrary from a pathetic meatsack like you will never change that fact one bit.

  174. Sam says:

    Name one, just one, constructive, positive thing the ACLU has EVER done for the United States.
    Look at US money — One Nation Under GOD!
    The Constitution does not prohibit prayer or deny God; it simply says that religion cannot tell government what to do (remember why people left Europe to found this country).

  175. Greg says:

    ACLU doesn’t like it? Tough. Sounds like the best reason ever to continue.

    It’s always been said: as long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools. 🙂

  176. ROB says:


  177. sunnyhill says:

    In spite of our shortcomings as a people, God has blessed us through many hard times, some natural, some self-inflicted. He has blessed us with freedom, unlimited opportunity for all, abundance of wealth and even health, overall because of the acknowledgment of his existence by our founding principles, because there are people who reverence him and who still pray for our nation. It isn’t establishing “a religion” to reverence almighty God; all that is required is the heart of an individual who is willing to humble himself and acknowledge his helplessness without him (reference Japan’s present overwhelming natural disasters).

  178. Billiam says:

    Not that I am an Atheist – contrary, I am a Roman Catholic and that may not have anything to do with what I have to say here – but has anyone really looked at the picture? Seems like they could use a janitor or someone at the school to clean the front of the school from all the trash out front! Is that an “environment” you would want your child to attend every day? Is it any indication of what is on the inside?

  179. John says:

    It’s Baltimore, Billiam. The whole place is a trash bin.

  180. manlyva says:

    This is the way I feel about this…if as a taxpayer I can be giving, for free, pensions and healthcare, then these schools can have prayer.

    1. frankfletcher1 says:

      I got news for your – those people earn their pensions by picking up your filthy trash, putting out your fires, providing your water, protecting your neighborhood, educating your children, paving your streets. Plus they tend to be better educated and make less than people in the private sector so why don’t you shove it!

  181. craig says:

    Perhaps the lawyers for th ACLU should try living in the neighborhood of Tench Tilghman before taking prayer away from these childre. Of couse they won’t. Nobody gives a #@%$& about the poor.

  182. Mary Midani says:

    Praise the Lord! This is what is needed today and everyday. This is God’s world and we are not doing our responsibility and calling upon His name.

  183. John says:

    Idiot liberals don’t believe in G-d, and think people who pray are morons. So why should they care if some believers want to make fools of themselves? Oh yeah…they want to control our lives and tell us what we can and can’t do. I forgot.

    1. tedf says:

      By having prayers in public schools, you are actually telling OUR CHILDREN what to do.

      You are obviously too stupid to see that, though.

      Seriously, were you raised by morons or did you just attend public school in Baltimore?

      Go pray in church! Nobody EVER said you can’t do that! EVER!!!!!!!

      You people make me crazy. Stop being brainwashed!

  184. frankfletcher1 says:

    Oh you prayer lovers want it when you can control it with your Jesus prayers. Just wait until the teacher leader is a Muslim and has all the kids praying to mecca then you will be singing a different hymn. Plus government employees are subjected to what I consider to be superstitious nonsense of prayers at everything from City Council meetings to retirement parties. Stop it and pray at home in church and even at school in your own little groups but STOP forcing others to participate in YOUR silliness.

  185. joules says:

    Ryan, I agree completely with you. Rusty, separation of church and state is a core belief. The schools are state run therefore religion aka the church does not belong in school. You want praying in school? Send your kids to catholic school. My tax dollars should not be paying for prayer in school. PERIOD

    1. Tom Bright says:

      Then of course we should eliminate ALL religious indoctrination. Will you demonstrate with us against heavy taxation and regulation that will allegedly fight the allegedly human-caused Global Warming? How about the glories of synthetic gender, a mental state that cannot be detected by objective testing? How about multiculturalism, that is, any culture different from traditional American culture is preferable, or at least equivalent? How about apologizing for American exceptionalism?

      1. ryan says:

        None of these are religion. I know the popular rhetoric is to associate them with worship, but it simply isn’t the case. If you think they’re false or criminal or whatever, that’s fine. But they aren’t religion.

      2. Tom Bright says:

        Dear Ryan: Global Warming, interchangeable gender and multiculturalism are not religion? Mirriam-Webster says otherwise:

        RELIGION — commitment or devotion; a personal set or institutionalized system of attitudes, beliefs, and practices; scrupulous conformity; a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

        FAITH — firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

  186. Advocatus Diaboli says:

    Let’s get government out of the school business. Then each school would be free to choose whether to allow prayer or not to allow prayer, and each student would be free to choose which school to attend.

  187. NattyBoh says:

    Why aren’t these people who are so “outraged” over some prayers being said in this school even more outraged over all of the trash sitting in front of their school’s door (as shown in the picture)? For that matter, why aren’t these same outraged people far more angry over the decrepit state of Baltimore City schools in general. Maybe these outraged people should pray for some school pride and some brooms and trash bags so people will be motivated to clean up the litter in front of the school that their children attend every day.

    Typical Baltimore mentality: let’s be angry over something (prayer) that is not hurting anyone and ignore the real problems with the school system (i.e. trashed buildings, drugs, high drop out rates, lousy test scores, non-merit based pay hikes for teachers, etc).

  188. Pat says:

    “Many” outraged? No. More like one parent of one child and an army of ACLU lawyers. And do you know what outrages me? How easily people get outraged, anymore.

    Toughen-up, ya sissies.

  189. Tel says:

    Many MORE outraged that this doesn’t go on in more classrooms!

  190. Jonas says:

    I’m not even american(see, no capitalization), but even I’m going to have to step in here. Ryan is correct and the rest of you shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss him. Prayer is for your church, not school. The reason ryan and the other brights here keep commenting is that they should care about their fellow countrymen. Praying for good test results instead of actually studying for tests results in, well, people who think praying shold be allowed in schools as well as needlessly dumbening down the students.

    Prayer solves nothing, it just promotes procrastination.

  191. Ron Raygun says:

    It is SCHOOL not church. not temple, not a mosque- IF it’s a public school prayer is a waste of time they are there to LEARN. If the parents want the kids to pray or learn how to PRAY send them to a religious or private school…..

  192. John says:

    Americans are indeed a bunch of wussified idiots. Who cares if people want to pray? It takes a few seconds. Are you more outraged at 5 city workers digging one hole? 1 guy digging while 4 guys stand around, lean on shovels, and watch. Yeah, I’m concerned about a prayer. Idiot liberals. You’re losing.

  193. GoddessBlessYou says:

    Would people please just grow up and quit being babies? I’m not even Christian, and it drives me absolutely nuts when I see stories like this. If you can’t learn to peacefully coexist, lock yourself in your house and bar the door because YOU are problem. If you are so weak minded that you fear being “brainwashed” merely by being exposed to other religions, or need that extra minute of testing so bad that you can’t spare it, once again the problem is YOU.

  194. John says:

    By the way…the dolts being pumped out of our public school systems need all the help they can get. If saying a prayer gives them a little hope and confidence, let them pray. Those who don’t want to don’t have to.

    1. frankfletcher1 says:

      I think I’ll become a teacher and I’ll lead a voodoo ceremony for the kids. Will that be ok for ya’ll? Or how about starting out thanking the Buddah? Allah? would that be ok?

  195. Ranger01 says:

    What is wrong with this country are organizations like The American Civil Liberties Union and the NAACP. I wish both would take a flying leap! The lack of faith and prayer is what s wrong with this country. Morals are in the toilet.

    1. AJsDaddie says:

      Did you even read the article? It was a voluntary prayer service held after a Saturday study session. How in the world is this a problem? It took no school time, and the atheists were free to leave.

      Again, it’s freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

      1. frankfletcher1 says:

        If it is led by publc school teachers it is damned well mandatory or else.

  196. Patriot says:


    The Constitution DOES NOT prohibit this. There is no law being passed to establish a religion That is what the 1st amendment refers to.

    Would you have a problem if the schools made it mandatory to dress up like and pray islamic prayers?

    1. ryan says:

      Of course I would. Why wouldn’t I have a problem with that?

  197. bob says:

    These teachers that hold prayers for test scores are sending the wrong message to their students. Prayer should not be about asking god to pander to ones own selfish desires.

    1. ryan says:


      If I were religious, I certainly wouldn’t want my child’s school teaching my children that Jesus will help you pass a test.

      1. AJsDaddie says:

        Do you think the kids were asking Jesus for the answers? More likely they were praying for the ability to focus on the task at hand to the best of their abilities. To ignore distractions, to calm fear, and in general to perform to the best of their abilities.

        Anyway, that’s what I teach AJ to believe.

      2. ryan says:

        That’s pretty bangin.

        But I think your home is the proper place for that. It’d be nice if all parents did that.

  198. Bama T says:

    God hates public schools.

  199. bob says:

    Also, you posters that say the kids have the option of not taking part either don’t have kids, or really don’t care about the kids that might want to opt out. You know damn well that any kid who opts out will be ridiculed by his classmates. He will become an outcast.

    1. AJsDaddie says:

      That’s a useless argument. If you have raised your kid as an atheist, then all the other kids already know. And iIf you think being an atheist makes you an outcast and you raised your child that way anyway, then congratulations on some scintillating parenting skills.

      1. frankfletcher1 says:

        Better to be raised by a parent who makes you question things than by one who who believes in virgin births, Easter Bunnies and Santa Claus. You are the same ones who beileved Saddam had waepons of mass destruction because the bible-thumpers in the White House told ypou so so you believed it. No excuse me whie I eat. Hey Lot – can you sprinkle a little of your wife’s ear on my salad? .

  200. juju says:

    The ACLU is a communist organisation.

    1. ryan says:

      Maybe an organization comprised of communists, but the organization itself is not communist in nature.

      That’s like calling America a Christian nation. It’s not, it’s simply a nation comprised mostly of Christians.

      1. AJsDaddie says:

        America was founded on Christian principles, and certainly on belief in God. Want proof? Check a dollar bill. As to the ACLU, communist or not it’s an organization with no purpose other than to promote a radical leftist agenda. It’s neither civil nor liberating, and it’s about as un-American as you can get.

      2. ryan says:

        Hm. You do realize God’s name was first stamped on money in the late 19th century, right? That’s a bit removed from the founding date of our nation.

        Anyway, I’m displeased at God’s name being tied to money anyway. And that’s not even on Constitutional grounds, that’s on Biblical grounds.

        “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”

  201. Tom Bright says:

    Dear Ryan:

    Global Warming, interchangeable gender and multiculturalism are not religion? Mirriam-Webster says otherwise:

    RELIGION — commitment or devotion; a personal set or institutionalized system of attitudes, beliefs, and practices; scrupulous conformity; a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

    FAITH — firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

    1. ryan says:

      Many words have different definitions. Global warming and the other things you mentioned are not religions in the sense that Christianity is a religious. It is not supernatural, does not involve worship, and so on.

      If you want to use the rhetoric, fine, but there is a line to be drawn.

      The important thing to distinguish between the two “religions” if you want to use the word, is that global warming, gender identity, taxes, etc. can all be debated and more or less understood. We can’t ever come to a conclusion regarding faith and the supernatural, though, so it has no place in an academic setting. Religion is fine, but in the appropriate setting.

      By the way, I’m not a liberal. You can talk about global warming, gender identity, and taxes all you want, but just know I’m probably on your side (but perhaps not as enthusiastically) on these issues.

      1. jes2 says:

        “I’m not a liberal”.

        Uh huh. Yep.

        Spouting all the lefty talking points, and then capping it with the typical liberal blog drone BS (how much are you being paid, BTW?), “I’m a Republican”, “I’m a conservative”, “I’m an independent”, and the biggest joke of all:

        “By the way, I’m not a liberal”.

        What the hell, liberals lie like they breathe – what else should I expect?

      2. ryan says:

        What does it matter what I am? Why don’t you focus on my “lefty talking points?”

  202. Kwasi5179 says:

    What is wrong with prayer? We must pray always and acknowledge Jesus Christ in all that we do. Those who are outraged are doing a detestable thing. Do not lead our children astray. It is better for them to drown in the sea before keeping them from God.

  203. Hojo says:

    Everybody knows there isn’t prayer in schools now, they have been replaced with school shootings. I think America made the wrong choice, prayer would be preferrable to getting shot,

  204. Mike M says:

    Hey ACLU – show me the SCARS that praying in school caused? It hurts no one. Commies like those in the ACLU hate religion for ONE reason – it places an entity more powerful than them as being worthy of our praise.

  205. PJ says:

    To All – especially Appu and Ryan – Our Founders explicitly requested that the Bible be one of the text books used in school and that prayer was also needed in schools. If you really knew and understood our Constitution and our Founders, you would realize where you are so wrong in your statements. Prayer in schools does not violate our Constitution and the general laws do not define the meaning of our Constitution. Laws are measured by the Constitution to be Constitutional, not the other way around. I know this is hard for those that only take the word of their teachers in these liberal schools and universities. If you read further, like The 5000 Year Leap, and other books that actually use the founding fathers papers and writings as they were putting our Constitution together, you might have a different opinion.

    1. ryan says:

      The founders also owned slaves. Should we?

      The Constitution represents compromise. What the founders believed shouldn’t be held in greater esteem than what they agreed upon in unity.

  206. Patriot says:

    The ACLU is Marxist

  207. Rockstar says:

    The ACLU was founded for the sole purpose of protecting early Communist agitators and for eroding the fabric of American culture through litigation. Don’t believe me? Look it up. As a matter of fact, look up the history of Planned Parenthood while your at it. These people are enemies of the United States and it’s no surprise they’d litigate against any public expression of Christianity.

  208. juju says:

    I suppose the founding fathers asking for victory over the Brits during the Revolutionary war..aka killing many Brits..Is more appropriate than a group of students and teachers asking for something from god in the way/form of education and advancement for the better. Bob…you are a sad individual and so is everyone else that thinks there is something wrong with prayer. If you don’t believe in a god you should not be threatened by the practices of those who might. I believe all of you believe in god in one way or another sadly most of you will not call his name and beg for forgiveness until you are on your death bed… Cowards all of you!

  209. Ivan says:

    I bet if it was a Muslim prayer, ACLU would go out of its way to have it in the school

  210. John says:

    Atheists are such hypocrites. They don’t want you to “impose” your beliefs on them through voluntary prayers, but they’re totally satisfied imposing their beliefs on the rest of us through involuntary government force.

    1. William says:

      The fact that you can’t differentiate a lack of belief from that of a belief is pretty telling of how dumb you are. Think about that for a second.

      Aw, never mind. You obviously think atheism is a religion, too.

      You’re a prime example of why brainwashing children into having religious beliefs should be illegal. It literally forces people to choose between being rational and being religious.

  211. joules says:

    Ryan…keep fighting the good fight. Logic rule will out.

    1. jes2 says:

      Ryan – stop sending comments to yourself.

      There is no ‘logic’ in your comments, just cold, progressive stupidity.

      No one buys it anymore.

      1. ryan says:

        you mad

  212. John says:

    I’m not religious and I don’t pray. But I don’t give a rat’s behind if anyone else wants to, wherever or however they want. Americans are such wussies these days. SUE, SUE, SUE!!!

  213. 1689 says:

    Why the outrage? We need to restore prayer in schools along with the teaching of judeo-christian values, morality, i.e., the morality & values of Western Civilization. You only need look at the revolting moral decay in society to know Americans do not have the character or values that they had 20, 30, 40 years ago. Good job Tench Tilman! Stick to your principles!

    1. frankfletcher1 says:

      Hey 1689 – is that the year you are living in? Let’s see 40 years ago: Vietnam – moral check, forced segregation and George Wallace check, gay-bashing every day check, back-alley abortions for rape victims check, Nixon in White House check, equal rights for women check. Yep – those were the good old days!

  214. Don Derflinger says:

    If there is a place in this country that needs prayer more than Baltimore, I’d hate to visit it.

  215. concerned_citizen says:

    The outrage is misplaced. It should be over the state-administration of anything, a gang of slothful parasites. Let the streets of Maryland flow with the blood of state parasites.

  216. joules says:

    For the record, the ACLU has gone up against schools in the past for the same exact thing and have won. Another example of religious people trying to push the envelope when it comes to state run programs.

  217. Bama T says:

    Kneel before Zod!

    1. jes2 says:

      Kneel before THIS, Bama bum!

      1. Bama T says:

        Roll Tide! Who cares that they are praying or not praying. The big issue is that we, the taxpayers, keep pouring money into these horrible public schools, and the kids still can’t read, write or do math. I’d rather the scools produce productive members of society than worship my God. When the kids prayed, did they “axk” God for good grades? In the end, the State of Alabama has the last National Champions….that’s really all that matters, although one is by a cow college.

  218. John says:

    People with tiny brains and a sense of self-grandeur end up being liberals past the age of 15. They love dictating their beliefs to people and try to use “logic” to tell us why the rest of us are wrong. Umm…the rest of us don’t care what others do as long as they don’t kill anyone else.

  219. Brian says:

    To all the Christian Fundies commenting on this story. How about if this school system changed their prayers to Muslim Prayers hmmmm? Would you be defending it then? Would it be ok for them to pray to Allah before the tests instead of your christian god? Hmmm? I already know the answer.

    1. Ashley McGinty says:

      I’m not defending it…but I take exception to the ACLU’s bias. Prove to me they’d be complaining if this had been a Muslim prayer service.

      1. tom says:

        @jes2- Your ignorance is astounding.

        You tell someone to deal with the reality of something that isn’t real. This country was not founded on Christian vaues, even if your preacher says so.

        Try going to a real college, or reading a non-fiction book once in a while.

        It’s sad that people like you even exist. Some call you history deniers, others call you Baltimorons.

        I prefer to call you deliberately ignorant.

        Regardless, though, it’s sad that you will likely impart your idiocy onto your children. Hopefully they will be smart enough to see through the lies, unlike you.

    2. jes2 says:

      Brian, you are demonstrating your DemoDork thoughtlessness.

      This is a Judeo-Christian country, as desperately as you hope it wasn’t. Deal with the reality.

      And as for “Muslim Prayers” in schools…. well, with the NEA-driven drone-teachers that have infected the public schools, would you even DARE to say this hasn’t been going already on in many areas of our country?

      No, you wouldn’t.

      Time to climb back under your rock, and put your little mind back in the mushroom tray….

  220. JenA says:

    Congress opens its sessions with a prayer (or prayers). It is hardly a “law” establishing a “religion” to do so. Schools should be the same, particularly since they are run by localities, not the federal government. Since the religion-haters have succeeded in stretching the 1st amendment to mean no prayer in (federal) government schools, localities should keep federal money out of their schools. Then school organizers can politely ask any non-religious/non-spiritual people to observe a moment of silence when the school has a prayer before a test or football game. Nobody who has any religious/spiritual orientation is going to object to a prayer offered up in the style of the majority faith, even if it is not their own, and who on earth could object to a moment of silence?

  221. Ashley McGinty says:

    So the “Fliers promoted the most recent event, on March 5, as a way to ‘come together, as one, in prayer and ask God to bless our school to pass the MSA.'” and listed a bible chapter and verse, so I take it this event had a Christian focus. But I bet you anything the ACLU wouldn’t have a da## thing to say if this had been a Muslim focused event/prayer service in the school.

    1. john says:

      Are you an insane person, or do you just play one on the internet?

      I can’t fathom being as opinionated AND misinformed/ignorant as people on this board. It’s just pathetic that you people think you know more about the constitution than the supreme court. Think about that for a second.

      My girlfriend is from Baltimore, and she assures me that anyone with half a brain sends their kids to private school there.

  222. skippy777 says:

    ACLU is a jewish supremacy group disguised as a civil liberties group…..ACLU fears and hates all christians….jewish prayers and ceremonies are EVERYWHERE in public….they are even on tv…including the tv shows: ‘brothers and sisters’, ‘friends’, ‘parenthood’, ‘the nanny’, ‘american family’ and many more….in fact once a tv show becomes popular, the jewish writers of hollywood always identify the lead characters as jewish…..

    ACLU passed laws to limit public representation of christianity to the christmas tree; public representation of judism as the menorah…..the christmas is not a symbol of christianity but only a custom that began 700 years after the birth of christ; the cross is the central symbol of christianity…..the menorah is NOT custom of judism; it is the central symbol of judism.

    1. BryanG says:

      my god, I was wondering when the kooks were going to show up… nothing like a little anti-semite…. what a schmuck

  223. John C says:

    Is this really about organized prayer in the school, or that the prayers weren’t Muslim?

  224. rhaacke says:

    The reason that this sort of thing even causes debate is because the school is run by the government. If schools were not run by the government then people could send their children to whatever school they could find that most closely matched their ideology, removing the need for these never ending spats. As it is, what we have is one size fits nobody in our education system.

  225. skippy777 says:

    1. BryanG says:

      skippy… take your garbage somewhere else…. please….

  226. alan says:

    Gee, wonder what would happen of the school led a islamic prayer. That would be ok because its expression of religious belief and we would not want to offend muslims.

  227. KT says:

    Prayer seems pretty harmless and sure wouldn’t hurtt anything ! It might even help !

  228. John says:

    Look at all these cultists whining about their cult not getting to pray in school.

  229. trina b says:


    1. tedf says:

      Yet you can’t even make a point without typing in all capitals.

      Are you serious? Is this a joke?

  230. skippy777 says:

    and i am not defending christians and christian church leaders either…..they have substituted politeness for truth in most controversies…..the christians need to re read the bible – jesus christ was NEVER polite, nor was he impolite…jesus christ simply told the truth every time…..some people hated jesus christ for telling the truth….other people loved jesus christ for telling the truth….eventually jesus christ was killed by the jews and the romans for telling the truth because the jews and the romans felt threatened by the truth.

    today’s christians need to stand up and identify jewish lies for what they are….and they need to trust that God will take care of the rest….

    1. BryanG says:

      So skippy… it must really burn you up that Christ was Jew…. …. So Skippy… I imagine your haircut is a bit close…. and you have a really cool swastika on the wall…. Yea…. we fought your kind … and we know it for what it is…. go crawl under a rock….

      Oh yea … some words of advise….. please dont breed…..

  231. lance says:

    there are alot of comments about teachers and/or administrators organizing prayer in the school. What if a group of students organized a prayer time instead of the teachers or administrators? What are your thoughts?

  232. Jerry Baranow says:

    Truly comical that the ACLU turns a blind eye to the morning prayers held at the beginning of each congressional session. It would also be interesting to know what the house Chaplains earn for the few moments spent each day conducting those evil prayers.

  233. Jholmes says:

    I fail to see WHO had their rights curtailed in this? What student was FORCED to pray? The ACLU consistently stands up as a tool of the far-left socialist side of things, who are admittedly atheist, but ignores other basic human rights that don’t fit into their socialist agenda.

    The ACLU fought for the right for a child to NOT recite the pledge of allegiance in school, but where is the child, again, that was forced to pray?

  234. Joe says:

    What I’ve learned from these comments are pretty much what I expected coming in. The Baltimore school system is failing it’s children, and the result is uninformed, uneducated adults who not only don’t fully understand the issues they are talking about, but feel the need to impart their lack of understanding on children in the public school district.

    Your god is as real as Thor, or Zeus. Something tells me if a teacher was leading prayers to them, or Allah, you wouldn’t be so happy.

    Shame on you, Baltimorons. You are the reason your children are so stupid.

    1. eddy says:

      Whoa! Someone who actually sounds intelligent. I imagine that you attended private school. That or you aren’t from Baltimore.

      How anyone can still buy into religion is a true testament to the power of brainwashing children.

      1. mark says:

        Despite a preponderance of liberal aholes residing in Baltimore we do have quite a few intelligent people who understand the original intent of the founders when the Constitution and first ten amendments were written and accepted.

        That,eddy, is in response to your opening salvo. To the latter I can only react with pity. Incidentally, where are you from that you’re so high and mighty that you can dismiss God as superstition ?

    2. BryanG says:

      Well said!!

  235. deerhorn says:

    the ACLU? Bunch of left leaning morons that need to be shown the door. If more schools were praying the USA might not be in the shape it’s in. Besides, how can a prayer hurt anyone? Get over it. It’s time that we take back our country and put these whining lefties back in their place.

    1. skippy777 says:

      alleluia….and amen….just hope your comment is not reported by commentor briang – the desiignated jew for this blog.

      1. BryanG says:

        Sieg heil Skippy!!! Yes and your the designated ass….

      2. BryanG says:

        Oh an d I haven’t reported any of your comments…. it’s much more entertaining watching you make an ass of yourself….

  236. Good guy says:

    Remember Seperation of Church and State is not in the Constitution – it was a bench mandate by a Judge. The intent of the constitution was to prevent the Government from hindering religion – remember we start every session of congress with a prayer. Why not school.

    1. william says:

      remember- Ignorance is just as good as education if you’re a dumb redneck.

      Do you actually think you have a better understanding of the law than the Supreme Court?


      Well, I guess you are as dumb as I thought.

      1. Star Johnson says:

        William, I’m sorry but is the name calling really necessary? I’m just saying like I posted earlier…………everyone is entitled to their own opinion but come on! We are all adults here and we should act as such. I don’t mean to only point you out but I’m reading everyone’s comments and I think enough is enough! You can be black, white, Indian, Italian, Mexican, or whatever, it doesn’t make you smarter or more dumb because of your nationality. Should I be offended because of what you said about someone being a dumb redneck? I ask this because I’m from Oklahoma and been called a redneck several times. I was born and raised in New Jersey and have been a city girl all my life untill I moved here. Do me a favor and define redneck if you would please!!!!

  237. Carol says:

    Why are so many people so terrified of prayer? Hasn’t everyone at one time or another in their life said ‘God help me….’? It doesn’t matter whose God or what sort of God. What does matter is that you’re calling out in the hope that you’ll be the best you can be in any given situation. I continue to be confounded by the fear of many of prayer and the American flag. What would they have us do? Shall be abandon hope because prayer and hope go hand-in-hand. Will we hear one day from the ACLU or others that the word ‘hope’ can no longer be used?

  238. John Manuola says:

    Everyone is missing the very important fact here that THE KIDS WERE NO PART OF THE PRAYER TIME. They were simply being PRAYED FOR. The offensive element to this issue…to those in the ACLU…is that the teachers were coming together to pray. And frankly, I think teachers are Americans too and have a right to freely assemble and a right to freely exercise their religion.

  239. gadesmo says:

    Read the US Supreme Court case of Engle v. Vitale. No school sponsored prayer. Protects everyone from someone’s else’s religious practices.

    1. Ted C. says:

      Whose going to protect my children from the practices of militant secular humanists in the schools? You can’t have it both ways. If freedom of religious expression means no religious expression allowed in schools, then freedom of speech means no speech at all allowed in schools, and no assembly, etc. Go back and read the First. And if you think the only religous expression allowed should be humanism, which IS inherently a respect towards religion, you’re breaking the First.

  240. Ted C. says:

    That’s not general “outrage”. That’s a handful of ideologues who are trying to silence the reasonable sensibilities of the vast majority of people.

    1. tedf says:

      Just because idiots outnumber the educated doesn’t mean that the idiots are correct.

      1. Ted C. says:

        That’s it? Your logic argument is simply that you’re educated and everyone else is an idiot? Um… have you really throught this argument through?

  241. hunter says:

    the damage done by some kids holding a paryer service directed by adults is……little or nothing.
    If the reality is that a group of teachers met to pray for their kids, and the ACLU is upset over this, then all we have is yet another example of the tyrannical work of the ACLU.
    The ACLU is not about liberty. They are about imposing censorship and repression on the free excercise of self expression and practice of religion.

    1. eddy says:

      Your lack of understanding is rather telling of your overall intelligence level.

      If I were you I would put down the bible and try reading a non-fiction book once in a while. Maybe that way you won’t be so ignorant

    2. frankfletcher1 says:

      Okay – will make sure I find a few prayer rugs and burkas for you school when Igo teach there. And BTW – the ACLU defended the Nazis (your buds) against the Jews at Skokie, Ill. in the late 1970s. Google it!

  242. frankfletcher1 says:

    Well Skippy I guess this means that Jewish Public School Teachers would have a little difficulty leading your kids in prayer huh?

  243. Larry says:

    The ACLU does not respect the constitution. Hence, we should give no regard nor respect to the ACLU. In fact, their name is a blatant oxymoron.

  244. What? says:

    If you do not have an intelligent response or why are you even posting on here? I ask this of both sides of the coin. Does it do anyone any good if you are just calling people names because they do not agree with you? That makes you better than them, how??? I happen to take the side of allowing prayer in school. (all people and religions have that right as Americans) Yet calling someone who disagrees with me a Liberal Idiot does not help my cause. These forums are for constructive coversation not childish name calling by unintelligent people. Tell me again how calling others names as spewing hate is the proper Christian thing to do? Ok, sure maybe in the Old Testament…

  245. gadesmo says:

    The US Congress is not a captive audience, like students in public schools. Those Congress-people can make their own decisions if they want to make the opening prayer, or not. The founding fathers wished for religion to be in government, but did not want government in religion.

  246. rank says:

    Praying for better test scores may seem stupid to some, and offensive to the ACLU. However, it is not nearly as stupid as continuing to spend more and more money on education, and seeing test results continue to slide downward, and student drop out rates spiral down. Perhaps, those of us that believe had best keep praying…. because the others that do not believe seem to be on the wrong path!

  247. Brandon says:

    I tried to read all these comments but quickly became bored with the name calling and fact that Ryan has apparently way too much time on his hands to answer all these comments.

    My question is and I haven’t seen it asked here was whether anyone bothered to ask the students if they were offended or forced to pray or anything else for that matter before the ACLU stepped in to “defend” those who need no defending.

    I live in Baltimore, I know where this school is located and believe me, they have WAY more on their plates than worrying if “prayer” is against their rights. There was over 300 murders in Baltimore last year, mostly in this and close neighborhoods, the population is mostly all black (maybe stereotypical, but most Black families actually believe in God) there is open drug dealing everywhere, there are more students than teachers and even then half the students don’t show up to school.

    In my humble opinion, maybe these kids NEED all the prayers they can get, at least those were the ones actually in school and not out on the corner or somewhere else. Again, did anyone bother to ask these kids what they thought??

  248. gorio, calif. says:

    Because the founders were devout Christians and on several instances stated that their inspiration for a particular legal or moral concept was because of their Christian religion, and that “human rights” are GOD given not human given, will those “inspirations” now make it “illegal” to examine our own constitution which has been “tainted” by religion of a particular type? Would the school be chastiised by the ACLU for allowing the students to meditate for 1 minute on the constitution and the people who wrote it? The Nihilist leftist primary mission in life has been and always will be to weaken and subvert the concepts in our constitution and the Christian Religion which was the inspiration for its creation. They hate the concept of GOD as it does not allow them to “define” morality.

    1. ted says:

      Being ignorant and misinformed about history doesn’t really give your opinion as much weight as you think it does.

      Your god isn’t real. He’s just as made up as Thor, Zeus, FSM or Allah.

      1. Ted.C says:

        Affirming a universal negative which to know is true would require ominscience and omnipresence – something that would make you disprove the negative yourself – is the the truly tenuous position.

  249. skippy777 says:

    to BryanG who wrote the following: Sieg heil Skippy!!! Yes and your the designated ass….

    1. like a true liberal, you resort to character assassination and profanity – the word ‘ass’……. when do the death threats, picketing in front of my house, and lawsuits begin??????

    2. learn how to spell…the word is: you’re – not ‘your’… need to return to school and be sure that the teachers and students PRAY FOR YOU.

    1. BryanG says:

      Like a true zombie you resort to pointing out spelling errors when you can’t get your point across…. You see Skippy777 I did a bit of research on your handle “skippy777” and “jew” and I think it is pretty obvious who and what you believe by the fact that over 9 pages of links came up…. You are a hater of the most vile kind. No matter how much you believe in whatever version of Christ you believe in…. does not mask what you are.

      1. skippy777 says:

        oooooooo, look at brianG’s investigation of me……

        ”Like a true zombie you resort to pointing out spelling errors when you can’t get your point across…. You see Skippy777 I did a bit of research on your handle “skippy777” and “jew” and I think it is pretty obvious who and what you believe by the fact that over 9 pages of links came up…. You are a hater of the most vile kind. No matter how much you believe in whatever version of Christ you believe in…. does not mask what you are.”

        1. i’ve been investigated!!!!!!!!!!!….you are demented….get a life!!!!!…..

        2.please please please print all 9 pages of my anti – jewish rants in full… can’t because they don’t exist.

        3. you still can’t spell.

        4. blogs are available to present one’s opinion….give your opinion if you have one..why are you so caught up in my opinion????…….

        5. like a true liberal, you are threatening me to shut down my opinion and to discredit me…..IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!

      2. BryanG says:

        Hmmm… yea….. You believe that Jews are behind everything… Some grand conspiracy… Yet, I am the one who is demented….. Masking hatred with being some godly “Good spelling” Christin…. what a joke you are….

        You know I started compiling all your Anti Jew posts on other blogs…… but what is the point…. you are still what you are… a fool and a troll.

        Keep your tinfoil hat of real tight now…

      3. BryanG says:

        Posts by Skippy777 on jews…

        posted on

        chelsea’s new hubby is jewish….i bet that yarmulkes are handed out before the wedding.

        posted on

        By: skippy777
        Jan 12, 2011 1:48 AM
        all americans must always be wary of any stunt pulled by both the politicians and the evil media…..listen to none of it…instead review the slaughter that happened at columbine high school in 1999.
        …..of course the two high school boys who slaughtered nine were jewish psychos…they screamed slura against christians as they gunned down everyone in sight.
        …..america’s jewish main stream media NEVER revealed that the killers were psycho jews…instead, the jewish media said they were white racists…when that failed, the media said the killers were picked on by other students….of course, all of it was lies……jewish media uses any tragedy to advance its own liberal cause…

        posted on:
        in private, even most blacks will tell you that things were better before the civil rights movements of the 1950s and the 1960s…..blacks would be happier…. but jews would not.

        February 25, 2011 at 9:10 am

        posted on:
        in the beginning – the 1950’s and 1960’s – there were cries for ‘opportunities’…this changed to ‘rights’…this changed to ‘demands’…this changed to ‘laws’…now, there is continual faux outrage by every black, liberal, and jewish journalist and jewish judge in america whenever americans fail to fulfill every whim of every minority lliving in this country – legally or illegally.
        BY SKIPPY777 on 03/01/2011 at 14:25

        posted on:
        Feb. 15, 2011 – 5:57 PM EST
        america’s marxist media shold have done this investigating long before ovomit evn ran for the presidency….but of course our lying marxist media covered up this issue and dozens of other issues……the good news is that ‘newsweek’ , after losing HALF its readers in a single year, died…the bad news it was brough back to life shortly thereafter by … guessed it, an some shady liberal jewish billionaire living in an obscure country.

        I couldnt post the links… the post was removed because of that…

        I could post more…

      4. BryanG says:

        Remember skippy777 everything you do in the internet is stored somewhere even when they are deleted by moderators….

        Have a nice day 🙂

  250. Karen says:

    For as long as there are test, there will be prayer in school!

  251. Dee says:

    “Many” are not outraged. Only the ACLU is outraged, from the text of the article.

  252. ROBBOB999 says:

    For all you that are upset that religion is being “attacked” by the ACLU, quite the contrary, the students are being “attacked” with religion. The US was founded as a SECULAR NATION, not a RELIGIOUS NATION. This is not a LEFT/RIGHT issue it is a CONSTITUTIONAL issue. In fact if you claim to be a conservative, this school’s actions better p*** you off. TeD C., we are a REPUBLIC not a DEMOCRACY. This means the MAJORITY can not trample on the rights of the MINORITY. If you want to have your kids pray in school, send them to a religious school not a public school. Funny that I would ever agree with the ACLU on any issue, but they have found one.

    1. Brandon says:

      As I posted earlier……has anyone asked the students? Was a Mother of one of the students someone who called the ACLU? Who are any of you to judge or decide….that is the problem with Leftist…..they think they can decide what is right for all of us without asking the ones they are making decisions for………

    2. Anton the Hammer says:

      My kids are going to a Catholic scholl where they pray every day and not a one of them is MESS like most of those in government schools.

  253. Chuck, a vet says:

    Ryan sweetheart;

    Your the same kind of “pseudo-intellectual” who gets all upset when they bury a layer of broken glass in the landfill because it cuts the rats’ feet!

    The ACLU is a totally discredited anti-American institution who would be very happy to see this country emulate the rest of the lemmings in the socialist community.

    1. ryan says:

      I don’t care about broken glass or rats.

      you mad

  254. Mt. Dallas says:

    ACLU=- A–holes Constantly Lousing Up !!!!

  255. KHANDOOR says:

    So, it’s ok to take kids out of school enmasse to protest (WI) but not spend 2 minutes saying a prayer?

  256. Mike says:

    Im suprised you can even see the keyboard with your head so far up your A#%. You and the rest of your idealogically blind cronies need to sit down and let those who want to pray , pray, and those who dont want to , dont. Its such a simple solution. This is the land of the free, not just free if they share your agenda. Remember, If you act a fool, that ids the picture that is presented, as the majority of the comments attest to. Understand!! Now be a good little lib and go to your ROOM!!!!!

    1. Star Johnson says:

      LMAO…….I love it Mike. I couldn’t of said it better, GREAT JOB!!!!! 🙂

  257. Robert says:

    The title should read, ” Democrats outraged over prayer services before test”. Clearly, they are the only people who dispise Christianity.. If it were muslims praying the democrats would say they have a right to pray. Hypocrisy runs wild on the left.

    A perfect examp[le is when Obama demanded and investigation of the oil companies when gas got to $3 per gallon. He was a senator at that time. Why is the hypocrit not calling for an investigation now.

  258. Chad says:

    Wow that frankfletcher guy is kind of oblivious. He says without unions there would be no safety regulations, child labor, no 8 hour days. Um we have federal regulations for that now. It’s not like if unions went away all of that would magically go away lol.

  259. Robert says:


  260. Jonas says:

    To those of you who call yourselves american, know this:

    The United States was founded as a secular nation, i.e. with separation of church and state. Christianity is not, and never was, a foundation of your nation. The rightful motto of the U.S. is “E pluribus unum”, saying that “In God we trust” is the real motto is like saying “all muslims are extremists”. It simply isn’t true. These points are not debatable, they are facts.

    Prayer in public schools is unconstitutional (it’s a violation of the separation of church and state) and also, technically, a crime against human rights (which, by the way, do include freedom FROM religion alongside freedom OF religion).
    By promoting prayers in schools, you are criminals against humanity, just like the pope and many other church leaders.

    1. M Fallon says:

      Wrong on the unconstitutional part. How do you explain that for 200 years congress opens with prayer. More important meeting than schools wouldn’t you think? Get it straight for once, the separation of church and state was to keep the government out of religion, not the other way around. You have been deceived by the biased media. Check into it.

      1. Jonas says:

        No, the fact that churches are allowed to evade taxes is the thing that keeps the government out of religion. Separation of church and state works both ways. Look it up.

        Also, what is an example of biased media?

  261. Richard Zoppo says:

    If the majority rules, and the majority wants school prayer, they should have it. There IS NO SUCH thing as separation of church and state in the Constitution, only the prevention of a state religion.

    1. Jonas says:

      That is the definition of separation of church and state. Prayers in school would be constitutional ONLY if there was a state religion (and a state church). Since church and state are separate, there is not state religion, therefore prayer in school is unconstitutional.

      1. Mark says:

        What ????

        Your logic defies logic.

      2. Jonas says:

        In what way does my logic defy logic? Please elaborate.

    2. M Fallon says:

      In the immortal words of Thomas Jefferson……“. . .I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,”

      Prayer in schools (christian, muslim, hindu, etc…) does not establish a religion as the declared faith for that school. But not allowing the exercise of religion in schools does prohibit the free exercise thereof. Jefferson did not say where, when or how.

  262. Jett Black says:

    So “many” are outraged? Apparently, no one who matters–i.e., parents, children, teachers are outraged at all, but are voluntarily engaging in the practice of whatever faith they may have, as guaranteed them by the the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. The American Civil Liberties Union would do well to read the Constitution, rather than taking up every wack-o’s insignificant complaint. In the U.S.A., if you don’t want to pray, you don’t have to. If you do, you can.

  263. Shaeles says:

    Congress can’t make any law about Establishing a Relogion… or suppressing one. What a local public school does it its business.

  264. Gary Johnson says:

    Only those going to hell are mad about it…so what’s the bid deal?

  265. Argentina says:

    The separation of church and state was not originally intended to keep prayer out of schools. It had nothing to do with school at all, It was placed so the Government could not establish one religion. It has manipulated like most other things.
    Being a Christian is not a religion it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I thinks its the people who do not pray or do not believe in God that have the biggest problem with prayer in schools What are you afraid of anyway? Allowing the students to pray hurts nothing. We that are believers should be praying for our country. If they want to have prayer then so be it, If you don’t want your student to take part keep them home.

  266. Gary Johnson says:

    Too bad the ACLU doesn’t have their headquarters on the east coast of Japan…

  267. Anton the Hammer says:

    Maryland was named after the Mother of JESUS by Catholics. Seperation of Church and State is like seperation of Mind & Body. All you Secularists are LOST and need prayer. Jesus paid the price for all humanity not just those who love Him.

    1. Not Jesus Nor Jihad says:

      Yo Anton:

      Did Jesus pay the price wit food stamps or his Independence card?

  268. adam says:

    As long as they are praying to Allah then its ok. Otherwise its racist.

  269. M Fallon says:

    These brainiacs still have not figured out that the removal of prayer has caused a major decline of morals and direction in our schools. That is why my kids are home schooled. What will they try next, no prayer at in churches or at funerals, GOOD LUCK with that one.

  270. justavoter says:

    Thugs can try to stop prayer in school, but no matter what, they will never get rid of prayer. God can hear children or adult prayer even if they are silent. Man can be very stupid at times.

  271. John L. says:

    The Motto of the USA: IN GOD WE TRUST

  272. Clyde says:

    So, has any of this praying helped at all? Surely this school’s scores must be on the up-and-up if some god has been invoked to help them.

    1. Argentina says:

      Kind of cynical aren’t we!!

  273. Tom says:

    Let all take a minute and PRAY !!!

  274. cluelessinky says:

    I see the USA falling further and further behind the other nations. Wasting time suing becasue one school offered a moment of reflection is a symptom of our demise. The only way to save what was once the USA is to recognze that we are two or more countries and separate, offering those who wish to be left alone one nation while those who wish to continue tosuck on the government teet the other nation.

  275. Fanny Forbes Franklen says:

    People that believe in god are delusional. People that believe god talks to them are mentally ill. People that act on the messages from their unseen imaginary friend are psychotic and may be dangerous.


  276. pJarhead says:

    Typical BS from CBS. One ACLU lawyer looking for 15 mintues of fame = “Many upset”

  277. Vince says:

    Here’s a thought. Maybe the government has no business teaching our children anyway! That’s why my kids don’t attend a public school. Go ahead America, shove your kids on government provided transportation, eat a government provided lunch, learn from government provided instructors and the government will produce a drone that does whatever it says.

    I thought we were way smarter than that!

  278. Argentina says:

    To Adam who said:As long as they are praying to Allah then its OK. Otherwise its racist.

    That is how it seems lately. It sad to say but II have to agree with you

  279. Joe Astroturf says:

    Obama will close this school for sure He’ll give you the OK for a Koran ..Any Muslims that dislike Christians Obama wants you to know your welcome over in the US to help with the Ground Zero Mosque. He’ll even throw in free Obamacare. Don’t worry he never mentioned how you brought the new year in to Christians in Alexandria, Egypt killing 21 Coptic Christians. If you’re a member of that hate filled Muslim Brotherhood he might even make you his “Muslim Sensitivity Czar” and make sure that the Arabic language is requierd course. It’s OK to mention Allah but don’t you dare mention Jesus.. Any of you Gitmo detainees that beat the rap with “Terror Loving Holder” heading the justice system are welcome to take the place of any Viet Nam vet that fought at Khe-San when it comes to getting Obamacare providing an illegal alien wasn’t there first.

    Please Check out song called teapartiers I can’t hear you at

    Here’s a verse

    Baucus is threatening insurance companies Obama the CBO
    Medicare Advantage and free speech is about to go
    He’d rather see people in our forts , planes and La liberty building die
    then to see a muslim terrorist get water in his eye
    All the insane and pervert czars and the communist ones too
    are surprised how easily they took us without even a coup

    Hey guys if you fought at the Khe San
    when they stop giving your wife her meds and her last breath comes over her face
    you’ll find comfort knowing some illegal or Gitmo detainee will gladly take her place.

  280. PJPS says:

    There is nothing in the Constitution advocating the separation of Church and State. The 1st Amendment states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridge the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    The relevant line, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” is exactly what some teachers and students in the school are doing and is within their 1st Amenment rights. Exercising free religious expression, or free speech to me is the same thing. Can someone explain to me why some people get so upset with prayer, but are willing to praise and give awards for disgusting and destructive rhetoric like Ice-T’s “Cop Killer”.

  281. diane farmer says:

    every school need prayer not only for the test but for the violence

    1. diane farmer says:

      so i think she was right to have prayer in school

  282. Monica L says:

    I just pray the students don’t marry the same gender when older. The school system is evil. Pray to God if you must. Seems like a waste of time. What happened to the good old days when all you read about was President Clinton inserting his cigar into young Monica L. Hey that gal Snooky might be on his Christmas wish list.

  283. Phillip says:

    Who are these “Many” that are outraged over this? Seems to me it’s just the ACLU that twist the story to assume that people will blindly cower to their beliefs because “Many” are on their side. Many is so vague that it can be construed as “two or more”.

    Yet another example of poor journalism. This is so vague that it accomplishes nothing but stirring up anger and dissension. The comments here are ignorant, to say the least, considering you can’t quantify an analysis of the situation, based on this shoddy example of reporting.

  284. Digger says:

    A little praying doesn’t hurt. Some of you people should try it. Whose more important God or Government? Some people believe must believe Government is their God.

  285. Joe Barinas says:

    The final step in this debate will be when the American Civil liberties UNION kicks down the doors of churches and has the concregations arrested for PRAYING IN CHURCH!!!!

  286. Larry says:

    My guess is that the “Many” referred to in the article is the author thereof. Perhaps the author’s name is “Legion” — see Mark 5:9

  287. Alexander says:

    Constitution closes with the following words:

    Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth….

    Seems to me that the Constitution ended recognizing our Lord …I wish the ACLU you and them lying libs would do they same!!!

  288. petfriend says:

    If the children are being allowed meditation time before testing to prepare themselves through prayer or quiet meditation to collect themselves and help calm the nervousness these tests bring , then that is a wonderful thing. However I do not like the idea of anyone at any public school guiding the kids to pray any certain way, so I hope that is not the case. I am a Christian and believe prayer is the most important aspect of my spritual life, but they should be allowed to pray or not in their own belief manner.

  289. JJ says:

    For those of you who don’t like people praying, butt out! People can pray whenever they want too. It’s their life and time. If you don’t like it, go pound sand. Complain when their praying affects you negitively, and that would be never. Freakin Libs just have to run everyone’s life. Only evil is afraid of prayer.

  290. jackspratt1 says:

    Repent America and call on the Lord of Glory – His name is Jesus otherwise swift judgment cometh – or have you failed to see the chaos that is whacking the world and more to follow – stupid mindless people who reject the Lord think there are no consequences to it – the ultimate consequence is eternal judgment to hell – oh I forgot the civil liberties ACLU think they are humanities watchdog ACTS 16:30-31

    1. BryanG says:

      and… how is it your not like the Islamic extremists?

      1. David says:

        Perhaps it is because he was satisfied to express his opinion in words, rather than explosives?

      2. BryanG says:

        Well said and quite true.. that made me laugh!…. But can you say that for all the Christian Extremists that want america to “Repent”…. not really interested in the “Judgment” part his friends want to bring in gods name….

      3. David says:

        To which “Christian Extremists” strapping on bomb vests are you referring? The ones in America or the ones in your imagination. Which “Christian Extremists” with AK-47s, IEDs, and Videos showing the beheadings of the “non-believers” has you so upset?

  291. David says:

    I don’t understand why the fuss. If you’re an atheist, you aren’t feeling left out because you don’t believe it will help. If you’re an agnostic, you don’t know the difference. If you’re a “non-christian”, it doesn’t exclude your praying to your own deity. In other words, just exactly who did it harm? Since it was non-compulsive, it is essentially benign to those who prefer otherwise. Again, exactly who was harmed? The ACLU?

  292. tommy boy says:

    t To the ACLU, Get a lfe!!!!

  293. chuck says:

    Studying is the most effective way to pass exams (honestly anyway). Praying is the least effective. Parents should encourage their kids to learn instead of pray. Studying and learning will get them further in life than prayer will. Unless they set their sites low and want to be televangelists or other parasites.

    1. BryanG says:

      Well said indeed!!!

    2. Saucy Fellow says:

      But praying causes you to focus entirely on the subject of that prayer. To say prayer is a waste of time is intellectually dishonest.

  294. Wade says:

    People need to turn on their brains and stop believing in fairytales.

    1. BryanG says:

      Nooo it’s to easy to be told what to think… Reading a dusty old book … and praying to “fill in the blank” is so much more fulfilling….

      Is this the time I should quote some cryptic passage from a book to support my belief… in the very same book. Which in turn you should believe … because the book says it is true….??

  295. Mallen says:

    How could atheists feel “left out” by the prayer? If they don’t believe prayer has any efficacy, what is their problem exactly?

    Atheism. Darwinian bred stupidity in action.

    1. BryanG says:

      Science. A question looking for an answer.
      Religion. An answer looking for a question.

  296. Zeph says:

    If you want good grades, you study.
    Prayer is for those things that are beyond your control.
    If the school is truly behind this, the administration needs to be replaced with competent professionals.

  297. Owings Mills says:

    I have read through 600+ comments, and nobody picked up on a few key points in this story. This prayer session did not happen during the school day or even the school week. It happened on a Saturday. Therefore, nobody’s kids were forced to partake in anything because I doubt Baltimore City ran busses for a Saturday test prayer session. Those who attended did so because they wanted to go. It is absolutely amazing that people get so fired up over an issue that they can’t even comprehend the damn story.

    1. alysse says:

      I was just getting ready to post the same. People read a couple of words and get fired up. Read the story people. No one forced anyone, it was by invitation and there were no ramifications for not showing up. For the fellow who posted that it is intimidation just like at work when things are voluntary, you need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps if you are that easily intimidated. My kids get and got invited to many things. We just said no, I taught them not to be so influenced by a group mentality.

  298. Jonas says:

    “5.And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.” -Matthew 6:5-8

    See, even your own book prohibits prayer in public places. And, before you say “the part where you literally go into your own room, close the door and be alone is open for interpretation”, remember that according to YOUR logic, nothing in that book is for you, nor for anyone else, to interpret.

    Just give it up, fundies. By your own rules, if you keep arguing about this, you’re all going to “hell”.

  299. ARNOLD says:


    1. BryanG says:

      Ok… here let me try….. I pray…. to “fill in the blank” that you find the caps key… cause… that would be a miracle…


  300. sherry says:

    Did anyone even read this? It was a flier that went out, just like one asking to join the girl scouts or boy scouts or softabll/ baseball it was not madatory and, since I myself am not a religious person, who cares, it was an inviatation. It was not mandatory. Let them pray if they want if they think praying is going to help their kids do better then pmore power to them. I don’t care how they get their test scores up as long as children are actually learning. I could care less if they are doing it in the auditorium or gym unless they required children to go but they didn’t they invited people to join them. I don’t see the problem.

  301. Pastor JM says:,0,2300642.story

    Here is an article about Yoga in schools which is a religion, this is something that should have drawn some attention also. Even in the article the call it a part of the NEW AGE which is call a religion.

  302. Karen says:

    We need government prayer — want we them to provide us everything else from food, to transportation, to jobs, to healthcare, to education, to housing — maybe they can teach us to pray also.

  303. meh says:

    I’d like to hear a follow up on how well the kids did on these tests. After all, there tends to be small negative correlations between religiosity and intelligence.

  304. Huckleberry Finn says:

    I still don’t have any fishing hooks.

  305. donmallory says:

    All of you on here S.T.F.U. once & for all. Those having children in school & who want to pray can do so silently. Those that don’t can get a jump on the test.

  306. Matt84 says:

    Good lord up in heaven. My 87 year old grandmother read this and shook her head at most of the comments. Not those against the prayer but the ones shouting for it. She asked me to type this because she is a little angry. She said in all her years she has never seen such hate come from Gods children. She taught for 37 years and she didn’t pray in class. Her children said the Pledge but she has never seen anything like this. She wants to know which of you found God before putting this up.

  307. Ema says:

    I have read through many of the comments posted above, and I have a question to pose to those of you who support prayer in school. Would you be equally supportive of prayer in school if it was a teacher or school official who was Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, or any religion other then Christianity who wanted to lead your children in a prayer from their personal belief? Would you be equally supportive of flyers containing quotes from their scripture passed to your children inviting everyone to join them? If you are Baptist or Presbyterian, would you be ok with a Catholic teacher leading you children in the Rosary?

    I am honestly curious. I believe personal faith is just that, personal. The freedom of religion we enjoy here rightfully includes the right to raise our children within our own belief structure. The state recognizes that it is not its place to impose any particular doctrine on the children that goes through the public school system. This leaves parents free to teach their children religion as they see fit.

  308. Nick_Name says:

    Dr. Moon,
    The Constitution also doesn’t use the phrase guaranteeing you a “right to a fair trial” yet I bet you believe you have one. That argument that the phrase “separation of church and state” is not in the Constitution is an OLD argument and well-defeated by an overwhelming number of constitutional scholars. In fact, we know that a “separation of church and state”. I quote below:
    “One of the founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, is directly responsible for giving us this phrase. In his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, then-President Jefferson used the phrase — it was probably not the first time, but it is the most memorable one. He said:

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, [the people, in the 1st Amendment,] declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.

    Jefferson did not have a hand in the authoring of the Constitution, nor of the 1st Amendment, but he was an outspoken proponent of the separation of church and state, going back to his time as a legislator in Virginia. In 1785, Jefferson drafted a bill that was designed to quash an attempt by some to provide taxes for the purpose of furthering religious education. He wrote that such support for religion was counter to a natural right of man:

    … no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.”

  309. kenya says:

    Thats what is wrong with schools need prayer

  310. Kenya says:

    They let one one woman take prayer out of the schools, but when trouble starts with in the schools the violence, such as shooting,stabbing, kids disrespecting the teachers and fighting the teachers. you here oh Lord what are we going to do we need to have prayer.

  311. goldwisdom2 says:

    I am suprised by the title of this article. There are a lot of peoplewho are speaking in support of what went on at the school.

  312. STEVEN says:


    1. Joe_Biggs says:

      If you do not like the Constitution the buy a one way ticket to a theocracy and get the heck out of this Country.

      Read it before you make silly statements.

      Amendment I

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

  313. TOM says:


    1. Joe_Biggs says:

      Please, that is silly nonsense that is only believed by Christians.

      I am an Atheist and hold no superstitions like that.

  314. Putting side the subject for a second…Be skeptical of any news story that starts with “Many.”

  315. What people will never see. As long as there are tests in schools there will always be prayer in schools.
    Prayer is talking to God.
    When is the last time you heard of a teacher telling kids to stop asking God to damn something in school. They won’t, but that is a prayer if you look at it. God Dammit is you praying to God asking him to damn it.

    Sorry you will never remove prayer from schools. Its impossible.

  316. Uncle Tom says:

    God bless America and god bless the boys and girls who took that test, especially the little negro kids!

  317. whatsaysyou says:

    This is absurd. A person has the right to pray and no one has the right to take away the person’s right to pray.

    1. Joe_Biggs says:

      You have the right to do whatever you want in private.

      You all can sit around nude whipping each other raw if that’s what you want.

      But if you try and install your religion or your beliefs onto other in a Public or Government place, well that is a no no and should be stopped.

  318. Edthe bed says:

    F…..K the founding fathers & the constitution. You all want to use it when its to your advantage but disrespect it every day in other ways. The founding fathers were a bunch of rich old white men who had little morals hence they kept slaves.

  319. familygirl says:

    I read that the event was held on Saturdays, therefore it was not during business hours. Churches are held in public schools on Sundays and no one’s rights are being violated then either. The school simply handed out a flyer announcing something that was taking place by the students/parents of that school, much like a flyer for a party or a fundraiser would be handed out. The child or his parent could throw the paper away or choose to participate, but it was not “encouraged”. There was no added benefit, like getting extra credit, for going. It was just an announcement of an upcoming event. Have we gotten so arrogant that we can’t even tolerate the thought of allowing our young children the right to choose if they want to pray to God or not?

  320. whatnow says:

    We prayed in school when I went to school. As far as the separation of church and state, it does not say that in the constitution, that was actually in a letter between two of the signers. The constitution says the government will not sponsor a religion and will not interfere with people practicing their religion (that is why people came here in the first place, because they were being persecuted for praying). If people read and understood the consitution, real religion, not cults, wouldn’t have been drummed out of every gathering and people might still be living by the golden rule and the world might still be as safe as it was years ago when you could sleep with your doors and windows open. And isn’t kicking prayer out of all our institutions interfering with the practice of religion. And isn’t the State Department footing the bill for the New York Muslim leader to take a middle east trip sponsoring a religion? Hmmmmm.

  321. al says:

    Government does not have the right to force a person to pray or aspire to a particular religion, that was the founding point when our constitution was made. That doesn’t mean government is given the right to strip religion from people. No it isn’t exclusionary as the article suggests, because all are welcome to join whether you pray or not. There is no separation of church and state in our constitution, an often misspoken statement. That phrase was taken from an article written by Thomas Jefferson, and later rebutted by him as it was misunderstood at the time and he feared without the rebuttal what has happened today would happen. Guess he was right. So why so such an upset about? Really? I would like to suggest that it would be in part because of people like those writing on this board who represent themselves as Christian and then offer angry name calling to those who aren’t Christian. THAT is what gives an exclusionary feeling. I am appalled at the few on this board who call themselves my brother/sister in Christ, and are using name calling and angry expression to make a “Christian point”. No, this is not how my Jesus teaches us to operate or represent him. And I apologize on behalf any ill-spoken person from our faith. on this board and want all to know that our Lord hears and loves every person who has written in. God bless the prayers of our children, God bless our freedom to pray publicly, God bless our communities so much from those prayers that people not in our faith will see the positive blessing of God even in their own communities and families so much that hearts and attitudes will soften to prayer and even welcome it.

  322. Mike S. says:

    COME ON PEOPLE — For God’s Sake or Heaven’s Sake — they are 2 religiously created sayings as well — What is the world coming to? This is what kids need today. The parents are too Hell-bent (oops, there I go agasin) QC’ing what is laid out for our kids in schools. Religion is what kids are lacking in modern times. This is why the streets are so corrupted. Let themm play a shoot em’ up game then turn em’ loose to practice it in real life. Let em’ watch crime on TV then turn em’ loose. All while Mommy & Daddy are complaining about a little “religious behavior” at school. If parents spent as much time teaching their kids right from wrong — including religion — this country would be much safer & better off….

    1. Joe_Biggs says:

      This is what you believe, so if you believe it so, then preach to your ow kids and not to mine. Thank you.

      1. Mike S. says:

        Joe, You’re an idiot — a BALTIMORON!!!

  323. Paul Willson says:

    In my day I think we all prayed for grades, or at least help in recalling data

  324. Daniel says:

    “Dozens of students and parents gathered inside Tench Tilghman Elementary and Middle School last week for a Saturday prayer service aimed at motivating students to do well on state testing.”

    According to David Rocah from the ACLU, “[The law is] crystal clear…” And he’s right. The very law that he seems to claim should prevent this type of thing is exactly the law that protects the people’s right to do it.

    How ironic.

    A group of private citizens who want to peaceably assemble and express their religious beliefs is quite different from Congress making a law “respecting the establishment of religion..” But the ACLU is clearly attempting to “prohibit the free exercise thereof.”

    1. Joe_Biggs says:

      Hey, if you want to hold a prayer get together at your home or church no one is stopping you.

      BTW the ACLU is not the Congress of the United States so it can not “prohibit the free exercise thereof.”

      The First Amendment is there to restrict Congress from imposing whatever it wishes.

      To help you not make silly statements here you are, please read carefully.

      Amendment I

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

      1. whatnow says:

        You just countered your own argument. I’ll pray for you.

      2. MarkinFL says:

        It has been settled for a very long time that no government agency may promote a religious activity. Students are free to express their religious beliefs and pray all they want. They can have clubs and use school resources to participate in those clubs. There is nothing ambiguous about it. How would all of you feel if they had been encouraged to meet at the local Mosque to pray to Allah?

  325. Joe_Biggs says:

    I know it’s difficult for some far right leaning anti-union, anti-middle class and anti-American thugs to do, but how about keeping your religion in your churches and out of our lives.

    Sick people who want everyone else to have the same superstitious boom boom god beliefs as you fundies.

  326. Don Gould says:

    One important thing about this prayer issue is that the final statement is what people are forgetting, which states that Congress cannot “prohibit the free exercise of religion” So, I don’t think they did anything wrong and the congress would not have to intervene because the Congress cannot “prohibit” the free exercise thereof. Got it???

  327. Stephanie (from Philadelphia) says:

    It’s a shame that when someone tries to make a positive impact in society they get smashed for it. Prayer and our faith in God is what got us here today, alive and well. In a position to make a better life for ourselves and our communities. Pray should definitely be back in the schools. Of course it someone wishes not to pray that’s fine but for the ones that do their rights should not be violate. We should ALL be respectful no matter race, religious practices, cultures and the like. I take my hat off to Principal Yon and may God bless you and ALL the people you come in contact with.

    1. MarkinFL says:

      Children are free to pray in school all they want as long as it is not any more of a distraction than other allowed activities. However, when it becomes a school sponsored function, it creates pressure on students to participate or be identified as different. It is expressly prohibited by very well settled cases over the years. There is no ambiguity and the Principal either knew she was violating the rules or is too incompetent to be a principal of an educational insti.tution.

  328. Terence Cole says:

    Forget the legality, how about the stupidity? Such arrogance to think God is going to answer your specific requests. Try humbly asking for God’s will to be done and you might notice a difference in your life, like becoming a better person, and hence a better teacher; then better test results will follow. If you are going to teach kids how to pray you should learn how to do it yourselves!

  329. Rena says:

    Way to go Jael Yon! Our plege and money all contain “GOD.” There’s still PRAYER at every presidential inauguration. Those who don’t want pray during things like this can simply step aside or leave until it’s over. I refuse to buy into this mess which is why I still say “Merry Christmas” to everyone. GET OVER IT!

    1. MarkinFL says:

      Now that you’ve identified the few vestiges of historical prayer in our government, note that there is decades of settled case law that makes very specific rules for religion in public school. This incident is way outside the well known rules. So, get over it.

  330. johnsonj3 says:

    After reading these comment I’m going to pray for all of you. Lord help these people who do not know you. Amen.

  331. Mary NJ says:

    Just stumbled upon this-this morning to check on my daughter’s working schedule for EASTER week, and my feeling is that if some of these kids had some kind of religious background they would have something or someone (God) to fall back on. My children were both raised into the catholic faith. Currently, my oldest daughter is a teacher in the Baltimore city school system, and I know that she pray that she get through each day with her 2nd graders!! My children attended public schools and had RESPECT for their classmate’s religion and the school administration. I know that it makes my daughter very sad to see such a crumbling environment and NO ONE takes a stand and takes control. If they were raised in some sort of family environment, with a religious belief, perhaps there wouldn’t be stealing, cheating, lying and have so many emotional issues that go on in her second grade!!! They would believe that it was WRONG to do some of the things they do. Although I do disagree about prayer in school because of church and state, perhaps a few peaceful minutes of silence before a test or exam to relax the mind would be appropriate. Parents there’s more problems than prayer in these city schools, OPEN YOUR EYES don’t put blame on anyone else but yourselves and take control of yourselves and of your children, without abuse.

  332. Jamey says:

    First of all, prayer was not pushed on anyone. It was held on saturday, and the parents and students attended on their own free will. I think it is an awesome idea. I am not going to mention which high school my oldest used to attend, but a group of kids would pray outside the front of the school everyday with one of the teachers. They even had a christian club in this Maryland PUBLIC school. There was never any serious incidences in that school, and it made time magazines list for top schools. My six year old prays all the time, and her prayers are answered. Also, the bible states anytime two or more come together in his name he is there. I would like to see what the scores are…I think people would be surprised how much prayer really works.

    1. JQP says:

      …and studying had nothing to do with it…

  333. Rick Garner says:

    This school’s support of prayer is awesome! Stand With Me In Support of Tench Tilghman:

  334. ShannonJ says:

    WOW, really?! It wasn’t mandatory for student or parents to show up that Saturday for the prayer service! I don’t see anything wrong with prayer in schools. We all have the right to pray or not to pray. If you don’t want to come then don’t, plain and simple!

  335. Wiccan to the core says:

    Lets put it this way, my kids go to a city school, and if I catch them praying in the school…..I will sue….separation of church and state is made for a reason for those of us who do not follow the same religion as everyone else. I am not a christian, Jew, catholic or any other “organized” religion. I am a Wiccan, and so are my kids. What would you do if my kids went around “preaching” the words of nature and the fact that there is no real god because god only exsists in the mind of the weak and fimble ones.

  336. Doug says:

    Whatever happened to freedom of religion that was given to us many years ago? The constitution may be dead, but Jesus Christ will always be! Amen

  337. hvillage says:

    I have, so far, refrained from posting on here because it’s such an obvious argument. I did a little test to see if I could guess what the comments would look like and sure enough: the most cruel and harmful comments are coming from the Judeo-Christians, the most pompous are coming from atheists and the “well educated”, and only a very few make any sense at all in that they made comments based in logic and compassion.

    I think the offending word here is “prayer”. It implies (and you can say it doesn’t but, you’d be making a fool of yourself) speaking with a creator. If they wanted to call it a “moment of silence during which you can meditate, pray or just sit in quiet contemplation”, it would be less offensive.

    As for church and state: just remember the sword cuts both ways. If your religion can seep into how we govern the people then the government can seep into how you worship your god. Scary thought for Christians who can’t even agree on how to worship their interpretation of GOd.

  338. JQP says:

    Human beings are herd animals. This is what causes phenomena like “mass hysteria”, and “mob mentality”… the very essence of tragedies like the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch trials and the Holocaust, and while Christianity (the overwhelming majority) can be a positive influence on a very few individuals (read everything above), it is not the sole belief system in this city…state…country…world.. it is even divergent within itself, so forgive me, but you don’t exactly have a good track record.

    If you want to recruit with prayer, start by proving how compassionate you can be by accepting other religions and inviting them to pray or meditate in their own way … should your funding come out of their pockets. If you want to manage your child’s education (academic, religious, etc) bring them home and teach them yourself. Maybe it starts with mothers staying home instead of dropping their kids off at day care.

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  341. pawan says:

    i need one school prayer