Some Outraged Over Prayer Service Held Before Tests

BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Praying for better grades.  That’s what happened inside a Baltimore City school and now legal experts say it violated the separation of church and state.

Adam May reports on the controversy.

Dozens of students and parents gathered inside Tench Tilghman Elementary and Middle School last week for a Saturday prayer service aimed at motivating students to do well on state testing.

It’s supported by many in the community.

“Everybody needs some prayer in school,” said one.

At the direction of principal Jael Yon, a flier was handed out to hundreds of students with images of prayer with numerous verses from the Bible.

“[The law is] crystal clear,” said David Rocah, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union.

Rocah cites Supreme Court decisions from the 1960s, which prohibit state-sponsored prayer in school.

“Not only are they unconstitutional for very good reasons, but they are divisive.  They send a message of exclusion to people who are not of the particular faith or of any faith at all,” Rocah said.

School officials say they understand prayer plays an important role as a source of motivation and support, but it’s clear that it is not appropriate to promote any particular religious practice. 

The principal would not comment, but some parents defend her.

“Prayer’s good.  I don’t see a problem with it,” a parent said.

Others say it’s a distraction.

“Is that gonna make a difference with the education?  That’s what we’re here for, taking our kids to school for,” one said.

City school officials are reviewing the details surrounding the prayer event.  They say they plan to use the finding to clarify school policy.

Our media partner, the Baltimore Sun, reports a similar event was held at the same school last year, as well.

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  • more problems

    That’s what’s wrong with the school system now not enough prayer that’s why the students are fighting the teachers they don’t have respect for one another and they feel asthough they can do what they want no da* structure or guidance!

    • Poppy

      Which prayers? Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Christian (Lutheran, Catholic,… )?
      Teach your children to pray in any faith you wish. They are capable of thought. They can pray any time they choose. It does not have to be organized or school led. Let the school do it’s job and stay out the parents’ right to determine their childrens religious upbringing. If you believe students have no respect or guidance because there is no prayer in school, you must believe parents have no affect on their children’s behavior -or they are not raising them properly.

    • Steve Stahl

      what happened to freedom of Religion?… one is forcing anyone to participate…….instead…those that wish to exercise their freedoms are told they can not…what a sad time we live in

    • Judith of Bethulia

      The Civil Liberties Union is encouraged by Satanists, perverts, some Jews who have abjured God in favor of Mammon and many dregs of society who find Religion an obstacle to their wicked, abominable lifestyle. The recent catastrophe in Japan should remind us that we need God, not proponents of abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia and other ungodly acts proper of evildoers. America should ban organizations like Civil Liberties Unio n that make us lose of vision on the afterlife.

    • john falco

      If it were a Muslim prayer the ACLU would be o.k. with it I suspect.

    • Cathy

      For everyone that has a problem with prayer in school…I have something for you to think about..Did you pray or at least aknowledge your religion or your higher power on 9/11? Did you worry about where you were when you prayed? If the world were to end today, would you pray and aknowledge your beliefs in a higher power or other belief? Do you think that people were praying in schools, courts, the pentagon etc. on 9/11? Prayer doesn’t mean just one religion, it can be a simple acknowledgement, or whatever you believe in. A lot of problems escalated when we tryed to take out prayer. When people go to court, they raise their right hand and put their hand on a bible..Think carefully…it doesn’t hurt anyone, if you don’t believe, then you don’t believe, then don’t pray, but at least allow those who do, to pray when they need to….

    • cathy

      There is nothing in the school system that “requires” students to pray. So therefore, they are not violating the separation of church and state. It sounds like a flyer was passed out to parents/students if they wanted to attend the prayer service. It was their individual choice to attend. Prayer never hurt anyone. I guarantee that the people complaining…were praying on 9/11 and it didn’t matter where they were…or whether they were in a government building or not….I guarantee you that everyone at the pentagon on 9/11…think carefully…there is nothing wrong with acknowledging your belief system. For that matter, they have forced the school systems to recognize non christian holidays….what is the difference with prayer?

    • cathy

      We should be able to pray or not to pray wherever, whenever we want to without someone telling us to. I believe that IF the students/Parents wanted to attend this prayer service they could….and IF they did not wish to do so they were not forced to do so. Stop looking for problems were there shouldn’t be any.

    • Eric

      It was a Satursay event, not a requires school function. If you wish to deny God, stay home and continue to watch the cartoons.

    • Greg

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      Any law or rule which prohibits the free exercise of religion like stopping prayer anywhere is unconstitutional.

    • Karen L. Wilson-Maye

      It is my prayer that school is once again a source of prayer for children. I was brought up on prayer and allegiance in school. Therefore, we were taught biblical principals and knew the punishment for misbehavior — in particular stealing, killing and disrespect of our peers. Taking prayer out of school has “killed” our behavior standards in the now generation; somebody had better find a way to get God back into our schools as well as in our nation. We are already paying the price for taking God out of both!! Yayy for this principal!!

      • Karen

        If they pray, they may have to stop having sex in the hallways.

    • Jimmy

      Why not have government prayer? We want and allow the “government” to do everything else — food, healthcare, jobs, transportation, education, excuses, etc.. Might as well let them teach us to pray.



    • Kellie Pardue

      i think that children should have some faith in themselves.. the way the world is today and whats on tv.. praying is not hurting anything it may be encouraging to know that they are not alone and people want to see them suceed.

    • Mia

      In the name of Allah friday morning prayers should be required in all public schools. Prayer Mats shoud be paid by state educational funds. Female students would pray in one class room and males in another.

    • Joe_Biggs

      Pray at home or church hell pray outside the school.

      No one is stopping you.

      If you do not like it, well then take your kids out of the PUBLIC school and put them in a PRIVATE school that loves prayer.

      If you do not like that, well then, HOME schools them.

      Just keep your superstitions to yourself.

    • swell

      And how many religions did the school pray in? Did it offer Hebrew services, Muslim services, Wiccan rites? Did it offer a Quaker service? Was there a room where those who didn’t practice religion could go to and study? No? Then perhaps prayer belongs at home and education belongs in the school.

    • Atheist

      How about the kids that aren’t christian? Not all people fit into the perfect cookie cutter that some would like to shove us into, and I can recall very well how unwelcome and uncomfortable I felt in school when somebody would mention praying or any other religious act as I simply don’t follow those beliefs.

    • Me

      Pretty sure the prayer won’t help the attitude. It won’t change the fact that a kid does or doesn’t want to learn. How do I know? I’m 17, went to church several times when I was younger (elementary age), and it did nothing but bore me. I’m not atheist, I’m Christian with agnostic leanings. Wanting to learn is entirely dependent on the brain of the child, not of the fact that they pray. And the lawyers are right here; this seperates the Jewish children and the Muslim children as well as any Atheist children. If they want better scores, the teachers need to keep trying and the kids need to decide if they want to learn or not. Die hard religion nuts need to stay out of the school and quit trying to force their beliefs on us. Let everyone decide what they want as a religion, don’t try and do it yourself.

    • gerry gardiner

      Look at the photo of the school. It looks like someone emptied garbage cans in front of it’s doors. I went to elementary schools in the 50s and nothing like this was evident.
      Yeah, the problem these kids have is the chance they may actually hear a prayer. The horror…the horror…

    • Shrimp

      hey – if i was a teacher today, and being told my future was at risk, and my kids had to perform to a test standard, and i was in Baltimore MD, I’d be praying too.

      • Hunter Rose

        Yeah FrankFletcher!… We HAVE that now so we don’t NEED the unions anymore. We’re NOT going BACK to the way it was… GET OVER IT!!! There was a time when we needed a horse to go with our buggy, but we don’t NEED them now. Times have changed. MOVE ON!!!

      • Av-I-Tar

        I just re-read the First Amendment. It says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” As an educated person I read, CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW. What I dont read is, CONGRESS, NOR ANY CITY OR STATE SHALL MAKE NO LAW. What it says is the Congress must cover its eyes concerning religion but what a community does is of no concern. Prayer should be allowed in a school that wants to do it as long as Congress does not force it.

      • Dr.Moon

        Where is all of this TOLERANCE the left is always screaming about. I bet the prayer didn’t hurt one single kid. If you don’t want to pray then don’t but don’t stop those people who do want to say a prayer from exercising their right. Nowhere in the Constitution is the phrase “seperation of Church and State” The Constitution guarantees us freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

      • Joe_Biggs

        If you want to pray, then by all means do it outside the school.

        Or better yet, if you were a teacher maybe you should get a job at a christian private school.

        Then you could pray all you wanted.

        But of course you are not a teacher.

      • Anon E. Mous

        Being a union employee I think you should start prayiing really hard or just make sure you do your job! I know doing your job is not what you wanted to hear.

      • Jack Kinch(1uncle)

        Cheers and prays for Baltimore. Bring back America and prepare for Armageddon.

      • John Manuola

        I know it’s difficult for some left leaning union thugs to do, but most mature adults can walk and chew gum at the same time (i.e. – Pray AND do our jobs)

      • frankfletcher1

        Awww – how cute. You have been listening to Glen Beck and you never realized that there were no thugs in Wisconsin. No violence. And you’d be praying too without the unions because there would be no 8 hour day, no overtime, no benefits, no safety regulations but lots of child labor! Stop chewing gum and praying and start learning.

    • ryan

      This argument is moot. The school is praying for knowledge, not for respect between teachers and students. The school should spend its time teaching, not praying.

      • Av-I-Tar

        You, being a liberal, would probably find it OK if they were praying to Allah but not God. Right?

      • Gary

        I think Ryan is being very nice about it all when he should just be calling you all stupid for believing in a fictional being. Not only that, but actually believing that it’ll help your stupid kids (raised like this by you, btw) get better grades.

        Next time I take a test I’ll ask Superman real nice if he can help me, maybe that’ll help. Since the constitution isn’t clear about praying to comic book heroes it MUST be the right thing to do!


      • SR

        Who does it hurt? Anyone who doesn’t want or need to pray. Many of us are atheists or agnostics. Many more are not Christians. When your boss or teacher tells you “pray to my god”..what does that imply? When you say NO, you are risking your job or grades. You are risking violence from the religious types (who are dangerously violent at the best of times).
        While the words “seperation of church and state” may not be written in the Constitution, the spirit of those words are there. The words are specifically from a Supreme Court case. Explain how an arm of the government (schools) forcing prayer isn’t establishing a religion!
        If the principal were a Muslim and wanted all of the kids to kneel on carpets facing Mecca that’d be ok with you proprayer types? Of course not. How about if he was Jewish and wanted everyone to wear Yamakas for the test day? Or Buddhist and told all children they must light a stick of incense on the way to the test…woudl that be fine?
        Lastly, tolerance doesn’t mean letting people get away with everything no matter how wrong it is. The school is for teaching. The church is for praying. Private religious schools allow both. These kids time would be better spent studding for the tests rather than hoping for some magic.

      • thevictorian

        All part of the ACLU/Jew Plan!

      • Randy

        Hey Mr. presumptuous. How do YOU know what the school — or the students — are praying for? I doubt your familiarity with the subject is that deep. So teaching and praying are mutually exclusive? Prove to me you can walk and chew gum…I dare you.

      • ryan

        Well, the article implies it is praying for better test scores. Why else associate the act of prayer with the act of testing?

      • Mitch

        Ryan you are an arrogant idiot. What does a prayer for knowledge hurt? Who has been damaged by these prayers? Crawl back under your liberal pc rock.

      • AJsDaddie

        If they understand what prayer is about (less likely these days as groups like ACLU continue to attack religion), then they’re praying for the ability to do their best, for God’s guidance and assistance in reaching their potential. There isn’t one thing about the act of praying that has negative consequences, and certainly not for those who choose not to participate.

        Time to quit the PC nonsense and let those who wish to pray, do so. The Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

      • ryan

        It hurts the Constitution. It weakens the foundation of our society’s law by breaking it.

      • ryan

        Also, I think it is unChristian of someone to call me an idiot. That is rude and hurtful. If you disagree with me, you can say so in courteous terms.

        Or do I have to pray for you to be polite?

      • Andrew

        Mitch, why are you so angry?

      • Rusty

        Ryan. You are a moron. No where in the constitution does it say we are not allowed to teach religion and prayer in schools. Separation of church and state was to protect the government from religious involvement and to prevent the church from having any control over government decisions. It like many other constitutional rights has been stretched and manipulated to benefit the loud pretentious minority that complains constantly that their rights are being violated.

      • Mitch

        Ryan I never claimed to be a Christian and I stand by my previous statement. You are an idiot and a coward.

      • ryan

        The church never really had control over government decisions. The Church of England was headed by the state, not vice versa. The monarch was the highest religious leader, not beholden to any other religious position. If anything, the religion suffered at the hands of the British government.

        Anyway, you are right that the Constitution does not explicitly state schools cannot do this. The Constitution is pithy, and requires you to apply the general law to specific situations. If the Constitution says government cannot encourage religion, than this specific form of encouragement on part of government officials is not allowed.

      • ryan

        How am I a coward?

      • Mitch

        You don’t want children to pray for knowledge because you are afraid of any display of religion on the basis of weakening the Constitution. Does the children praying personally hurt you? No it dopes not. You are afraid.

      • ryan

        Is cowardice simply fear? Or is it the refusal to face fear? If I tucked my tail between my legs and didn’t argue for what I believe in, you’d be right. But I don’t think your definition of cowardice is accurate.

        I do fear what the government would do to religion, though, yes.

      • Appu

        Rusty, it does not say in the Constitution that you are not allowed to “teach religion and prayer” in schools. It says Government can “‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. So if a private school wants to hold religious prayers that is perfectly legal, but for a government-run school to institute prayer cross the “make no law respecting an establishment of religion” clause. People can argue about the magnitude of the violation and trivialize it – but it is a violation of something the founders EXPLICITLY laid out in the creation of the nation for a good reason.

        BTW, “teaching religion and prayer” is a very ambiguous statement if you think about it carefully. You can teach about religions of the world, about prayer, different forms, and any conclusions of studies or opinions on prayer and its effectiveness, etc etc… But you cannot run a Madrassah or Sunday School or equivalent version of teaching a specific religion and holding prayers that the students are expected to attend and participate in.

        And this is no horrible violation of anyone’s rights, it is in fact the best protection of everyone’s right to practise their religion in amity. There are a zillion places and occasions to have organized prayer outside government offices/institutions, and individuals can still pray by themselves if they so choose in any location. So the whole debate is just some religious people being like the bored bully brother on a long car ride who puts his finger in front of your face and says, “If you touch my finger I will hit you”. Silly asinine provocation that does no good for religion or government or social amity.

      • ryan

        Sounds like you’re echoing what I’m saying.

      • Maine932

        Before you start yelling at me too, I think Ryan has a point. Plus, if prayer is that necessary, then say one at your desk while the test is being handed out. A true Christian does not need anyone to help them say a quick prayer asking for better marks, or help in being able to study better. If we allow a Christian prayer public, then we have to allow a Jewish prayer, Muslim prayer, Buddhists prayer, prayer to the God of rain, wind, sun, warmer weather, smoother whiskey and naked women…oh, just reminded me…I have to go pray…!

      • Rick

        ryan, I know this to be FACT. When American schools had prayer in them America was on the RISE, when America removed prayer from the school system we are on a steady decline. Since the aclu won the supreme court case that removed prayer from public schools we have also scene a steady decline in quality education and student behavior. Maybe you should start praying because they are our future

      • richard

        Ryan–if you have a problem with the school praying maybe you should move to china where people are put in prison for praying then you would not have to spout off about prayer in our schools..

      • ryan

        Rick, at that time our rise was because of the effects of World War II. It certainly was not because of prayer. We entered a sort of golden age due to the state of the rest of the world…and we’ve been riding it ever since. Which isn’t to say American isn’t awesome (it is), just that effects have causes, and prayer wasn’t it.

      • ryan

        Richard: so my options are let the Constitution be trampled or go to China where it already is?

        Interesting point of view. I disagree, though. The cool thing about a free state is everyone can express their opinions–even you.

      • Appu

        One of the fundamental (false) assumptions people who advocate government involvement in religion make is that it will be THEIR religious views and beliefs that will be imposed or encouraged by the government. Anyone who actually understands the motivations for the formation of the US republic knows this is a totally flawed assumption – most of the early settlers of the US (including William Penn) were here bcos the established religion in their country of birth disagreed with their beliefs and sought to persecute them for their beliefs. They came here to escape that tyranny, and hence enshrined the “establishment of religion” clause in the Virginia and then US Constitution (First Amendment). Now we have people who think that it will be THEIR religion which will somehow get more mileage (for lack of a better term) if the ACLU would back off its stance.

        Even if you are Christian remember Catholics and Protestants have famously (in-?) feuded for centuries killing and rapiing each other in their fanaticism. And so many smaller sects of Christianity have faced violent persecution and still face a lot of discrimination in other “Christian” nations just as badly as small sects of Islam do in “Islamic” nations that we so rightly disapprove of. If your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle folks. If we became a religion-based nation we will not be the America of the 1900s as you fantasize, we will become the Iran or Saudi Arabia or crazy Middle Age European nations. Think about it and pray in thanks that we chose a different path and thank God for the ACLU and their determination. :-)

      • Gator

        There is another issue that many of these comments seems to be touching, but not directly. Why is it that the left (ACLU and other liberals) always screams and yells about prayer in school? They say it is a violation of “separation of church and state”, right? I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe schools ever used to be considered part of the “state”, at least not until the establishment of the NEA. Once the fed came in with the NEA, government funding, and government regulation, schools fell under the umbrella of government. THAT is when schools began going down hill. THAT is when the ACLU was free to condemn prayer in schools. THAT is when the liberalization of our students (which oddly enough coincides with the decline in education) went in to full force. And THAT was about the same time that our country’s steepest decline began. It would appear that the liberalization and governmentalization of our school system is at the root of so many of our social and political problems. Hmm, abolish the NEA and let schools go back to their communities. Or at least to the states where they belonged in the first place. But, those are just my thoughts on the matter.

      • Teri

        How much time did they spend praying??? I can guarantee that there is enough time wasted in the day NOT teaching NOT learning that a few minutes (or an hour) “wasted” meditating or praying about better perfornamce on tests is not a big deal.

      • ryan

        Gator, any public school is part of the state.

      • Rick

        ryan- I disagree, Since the founding fathers established this nation is was based upon christian principles. NO it is not in the US constitition of a separation of church and state. However it was established in a court ruling. The existance of prayer does not establish any specific religion. Those praying may pray to GOD or Allah or whosoever jack in beanstalk. By not allowing the expression of prayer you force one into the religion of athiesism.

      • Battlecarrot

        Don’t impose your secular materialist religion on us.We are supposed to be free of any OFFICIAL Religion-that is why the codicil of “separation of Church and State was included.That means freedom from the Atheist religion as well which is an ancient FAITH.If we want to pray to Christ or some Pagan god in school we will.The ACLU is anything BUT.It typifies the “Four Legs Good,Two Legs Bad”school of leftist-marxist thought.

      • Diane Stephenson

        Yayyyyy for the school! If you don’t want to participate in the prayer service. you don’t have to. Ryan, stop being such a hater.

      • Keith

        I wish I could convince my wife the same way absolute faith convinces believers… Honey, if we are able to keep making our mortgage payment and our kids get into good colleges, it’s because I’m blessing you for having faith in me…. If we lose the house and little Darla gets hooked on meth; it’s all still according to my plan… it’s just I work in mysterious ways, that’s all!

      • Jeff

        It’s so simple that intellectual people but liberals somehow fail to understand it. The First Amentment states: mpeding the free exercise of religion, Congress (not you, me, not the courts but Congress) shall not support a national religion nor can they restrict the individuals right to freely exercise their religion. However, it does not restrict what an individual state may or may not do. Unless religious restrictions are imposed within a state by that particular state then prayer can be held in school, nativity scenes may be displayed and the Ten Commandments can be displayed on city or federal property. The intent was to keep government out of religion not religion out of government. The Supreme Court rulings in regards to religious activities is woefully erroneous.

      • Billy

        Hey Randy, they are singing MM MM MM. MM MM MM. Barack Hussein Obama. MM MM MM.

      • JasonH99

        Ryan – you keep bringing up what the Constitution says about religion, but I have yet to see you explain what “law” regarding religion (as stated in the first amendment) the state created by allowing the children to pray. I don’t see that the state legislature passed anything.

      • Jamie

        Well Ryan, it’s obvious that the teachers are not doing a very good job getting the knowledge through to the student if their last hope is to pray. Maybe they should pray for better teachers that have passion to teach to the student. Each student learns differently. It’s the teachers job to identify that for the simple fact that they are not retaining the knowledge. Therefore, not learning. In one ear and out the other. We all should be praying for better teacher all around the country. Look at the schools in Detriot! A very high percentage of the student body graduate and still can’t read! START PRAYING!

      • Bob

        ryan, praying for you this morning. Have a great day!

      • cwxj415

        I think it’s really amusing how those who argue for prayer the loudest are also the rudest, meanest, most arrogant posters on this blog. Whatever happened to the humility that Christ told us to possess? No, nowadays, the American Christian is far too self-important to engage in humility! Rather, they will abuse, insult, mock and ridicule anybody who DARES to disagree with them. Thus, we get the ignorant comments of Mitch and others.

        But Ryan is correct: Prayers are something that individuals do, according to their spiritual beliefs. Schools are for TEACHING. School administrators that take away time from teaching to pray are committing malpractice. Prayers might bring calmness, but it does nothing to improve math scores.

      • RavviOli

        Yeah, right!!! What do you want us to do ? Pray to the union bosses instead of the Almighty Creator of the Universe? We have tried it your way and it did not work. NOW keep quiet while we do it our way.

      • RobNclt

        they have spent their time teaching and now they are praying to God to help the students recall what has been taught. What’s wrong with that, nothing. If you don’t believe in prayer for your child write a letter to school and have your child sit out the prayer. That’s what I had to do when I wanted my child sitting out things I did not want him to get involved in. If your child doesn’t score as well as those praying maybe you should rethink your position. Enough said! There is an example of what they are doing in the Bible.

        Babylon captured the nation of Israel and the king took some of the best children to learn and serve in his court. They were to be fed a special diet to help them grow up physically and mentally. Daniel wanted to keep the things he knew to spiritually eat. When they compared the ones who did what Daniel did with the others he fared much better. No one loses anything praying but they stand to gain a lot.

      • John Manuola

        OMG…what a bunch of crock. No one is TEACHING prayer here. No one is ESTABLISHING a state religion. You are assuming that these are ONLY Christian based prayers (admitted not a stretch to assume that in what is, essentially, a Christian nation) and no one is forcing anyone to participate. In fact, no where in the article is it being suggested that students are even involved.

      • Robert Michael Simon

        Better idea….Time for SEPARATIoN of STATE and EDUCATION,then kids and teachers can pray when they damn well want to….

      • Cw

        Ryan — Obviously you need a job and a life. You are a bitter, foolish man.

      • Debbie

        “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

        Do you see the word ‘GOD” above? We never should have taken praying out of the public schools.

      • Lisa Monica

        The school isn’t praying; it’s simply allowing it’s students to pray. It’s not like it was mandatory and one would be graded on one’s prayer.

      • MichaelH

        So, are you one of the “outraged”? If you are, outrage comes too easily for you. You should mind your own business. No one is forcing anyone to pray.

      • Howard Ino

        Just more of the hate filled Secular Humanist (14% of America) trying to run the other 84% of America.

        Time for them to pray that we don’t turn our political will on them!

      • JMMAC

        “If the Constitution says government cannot encourage religion, than this specific form of encouragement on part of government officials is not allowed.”

        To the best of my knowledge (which is based on being a government employee for 30 years), teachers are not government officials, but merely employees of a non-government union. Therefore, if they choose to pray for a little devine educational guidance for their charges, so be it.

        We make allowances today for just about any religion you can mention. But allow a short prayer in school? Outrageous! We have lost any semblance of common sense in this country.

    • Jim

      We demand the government provide us food, housing, education, health care, jobs, transportation and burials — why NOT let them provide us a little religion also??

      • phran

        The ACLU doesn’t want prayer in schools or anywhere else. — forbid we learn to trust something other than the government to provide us with assistance.

      • Appu

        Bcos you can hold them accountable for food poisoning, lousy housing, lousy education, healthcare, jobs and so on, but can you hold them accountable for a religion based on something someone (or many someones) said who was not a government official, contractor or even an American? That is why they cannot be allowed to provide us a little religion. Our government is designed to be as accountable as humanly possible to the citizenry (unlike Monarchies and Dictatorships – so please do not berate the imperfections of our democratic republic as if there are better systems out there.) Govt getting involved in religion automatically makes them not accountable for the teachings of that religion – we can only hold them accountable for getting involved in the first place. Hence the “Just Say NO!” separation of Church and State. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and render unto God what is God’s – as a very wise man once is believed to have said.

      • John Fox

        Because the federal government is forbidden from doing so by the constitution. If a school is private, or if a public school doesn’t get federal funding and their state constitution doesn’t forbid it, then the staff is free to lead their students in prayers.

        Students, on the other hand, have always been free to pray as much as they want. They are free to invite other students to pray with them. It’s only when the teachers or school officials get involved by either designating a prayer, what has to be in it, or what can’t be in it, does it become an issue.

        It is only fear mongers and the ignorant that say prayer or religion isn’t allowed in school. The only thing forbidden is for the STAFF of the school to lead the class in prayer. They are free to pray at their desk all they want.

        This county has things called ‘laws’. If you don’t like them, get them changed. If you feel so strongly, change the constitution so that the government is free to specify which religion people have to follow.

        But since even Christians can’t agree on what a ‘Christian’ is, I doubt if you will get very far.



    • ryan

      Do you really want the government ruining religion, too?

      • ryan

        John Fox, you are incorrect. The Fourteenth Amendment extends the First Amendment to the state level.

      • richard

        ryan–you need to look at the condition of your on soul–the bible states that in the last days there will be a fauling away from the truth. also in Matthew 24 it states in the last days==take heed that no man deceive you. and you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. I would be more concerned with my relation ship with JESUS CHRIST than with prayer being held in school. I thank GOD they have the guts to hold prayer sessions.

      • ryan

        Thank you for your interest in my well being.

      • Kevin

        After scanning the comments on this page, one thing is immediately clear – Ryan hates prayer! ;)

      • jay

        The decline of public schools began when the government began giving money to them and controlling them. Now schools cannot go without public funding from the government. That is why so many are turning to private schools, at least those that can afford it. Whenever the government tries to control anything it destroys it. That is why the writers of the constitution believed in limited government, and that the government should not be involved in religion. They saw what would happen to religion in England when the government got involved. They saw how intrusive the government became when it grew too big. One only needs to read the grievances in the Declaration of Independence to understand how little the government should truly be.

      • John Fox

        Jay is 100% correct … if the schools didn’t depend on FEDERAL funding, they would only have to follow the rules of their state. Do you think PRIVATE schools have to give the AIMS test?? No, they don’t. It is voluntary for PRIVATE schools. AIMS testing is not a law, it is a requirement to receive federal funding. This is why Catholic schools can teach/preach religion, they don’t receive state or federal funding.

        The constitution only forbids the FEDERAL government from forcing religion upon the population, it does not forbid STATE governments from doing so. Each state has it’s own constitution.

        You want your kids to be taught religion?? Then send them to a private school, to church, or do it yourself. There is no law requiring you to send them to public schools.

    • marty

      God is long dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Judith of Bethulia

        God is silent when fools like you proclaim Him dead. This silence of God gives you the freedom to damn yourself. You are a fool, Marty, and I mean it.

      • Bill C

        How do you know?

      • howie

        Where did you obtain this information? Other than in your mind.

      • aarach


      • Rick

        marty- I believe you may think GOD is dead or maybe you are just hoping he does not exist, However my GOD is alive and well. He is not the enemy and sometimes we as humans attempt to play GOD and do things that are not always right. But if you only believe in him and focus on him he will reveal himself. Promise

      • ConanTheRepublican

        Prove it.

      • robert10inch

        Conan, You gotta die first a…hole.

      • cwxj415

        Marty says: “God is long dead.”

        Well, that assumes that he ever existed to begin with! To be “dead”, one must first be alive. In any event, even if some sort of “God” entity did exist, could one really call him “alive”? That word applies to life as we know it, which God, if he exists, certainly is not.

        In any event, the phrase “God is dead” is, I believe, not meant to be taken literally. When the NYTimes famously used that expression, it wasn’t to suggest that the entity “God” had died, but rather, that the human need for old-fashioned organized religion was no longer applicable to our modern society. that suggestion might or might not be correct, but it shouldn’t be taken literally.

      • tubaman

        only a fool says there is no God,fool.

      • meh

        Only a fool says there is no teapot floating between Mars and Jupiter. See how that works?

      • John Fox

        Shh….god isn’t dead marty … there have never been gods. However, the church wants people to think gods exist so then can control their behavior.

        Churches are afraid that if people find out that they can live moral, upstanding, civilized lives without religion, they will loose all of their influence and power. They fail to note that many people and societies lived perfectly moral and civilized lives before Christ was even born. Adults are afraid that folks that don’t have the same belief might be right and it makes them insecure and they lash out.

      • John Manuola

        CWXJ says,”Well, that assumes that he ever existed to begin with! To be “dead”, one must first be alive. In any event, even if some sort of “God” entity did exist, could one really call him “alive”? That word applies to life as we know it, which God, if he exists, certainly is not.”

        that is a very common and dangerously ignorant and arrogant assumption…that only how WE perceive things is important….or more accurately…how YOU perceive them.

      • LisaMonica

        I happen to know God personally. I can assure you that He is very real, has always been and will always be. He speaks audibly to those who will listen and with those whom He chooses to speak. He also speaks to our hearts. God isn’t dead. He is also the one who protects your right to make such ignorant comments.You might want to think about that the next time you speak or write. God is better as a Father, Brother and Helper than He is as an Opponent. Not a good choice, I know from personal experience. But thankfully for all of us He is also very merciful. Because of your ignorant comments alone, you will probably have quite a few people praying for you because of His mercy. Ironic isn’t it!

    • Christine

      I think that it is great that they are praying. It is their right to pray. I doubt that they are forcing anyone to pray if they don’t want to. I believe that pray works.
      N one should be called names for their opinion. So don’t call Ryan names. Just let him have his opinion and we should keep true to our beliefs.
      Pray if we want to pray. Help those who want to Pray. And believe that Our Lord And Savior is all Knowing and Caring and will be there for those of us who Accept him.



    • Sid

      Look at what has happened to our culture and society since prayer was abolished in the early 60’s. We as a country better humble ourselves before the Lord and quit listening to these Godless Liberals. We still have time to turn our country back to one that fears and honor’s the Lord, but this will not happen
      if the United States of America and the majority of its citizens does not give honor and glory that is due to our heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

      • Dale

        “our heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ” should read “YOUR heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ” – because this reference is wrong for me..

        This is the problem – I don’t believe in your god. Your god doesn’t exist in my world. Don’t push your belief on me and I won’t push my belief on you.

      • Appu

        Sid, Did you actually stop ALL prayer in your life bcos the Liberals “abolished” it in the early 60’s. Why? Since you seem so eager to please the Godless Liberals did you give up you car, all fossil fuels, walk to work, TV (other than PBS), drinking, smoking, having children all in your fear of Liberals and their views on these subjects? If the Liberals are so bad for the culture what have you done to highlight the good in our culture (other than bash liberals anonymously on the internet?)? Personal responsibility is not just for Black Teenagers and Women in the Ghetto you know.

      • BryanG

        Umm… wow…. you scare me Sid…. Fear the lord…. Any god you need to fear… is not one I want.

    • Gator

      I would like to thank Baltimore’s CBS affiliate for doing this story. It is a story, the likes of which we have seen many other times, but one that sparks good debate. And without this story, Ryan would have had nothing else to do today but watch The View. This forum has allowed him his fifteen minutes of fame on top of his soapbox, spouting his opinion all over the place in countless posts and therefore allowing him to feel relevant. And for that I thank the whole CBS team. I am going back to work now.

      • ryan

        Yeah, I really should have been doing homework.

        Or praying for Jesus to do it for me.

    • Kerry Early

      Rusty – no the so called seperation of church and state comes from a letter Jefferson wrote to a church in Virginia – the 2nd amendment was written to keep the government out of religion not the other way around. Remember the long history of a catholic in power persecuting a protestant and vice versa. The founding fathers did not want the government interfering in an individuals right to practice religion. Period.

    • dwdraw2

      Your right on

    • victoria

      When they took prayer out of schools, they left the schools without a prayer.

      • BryanG

        Oh wow how witty….. give me a break… Morality and intelligence does not come from a dusty old book and praying to “fill in the blank”…. It comes from people… there are good and bad people that believe in god and pray… as well as there are good and bad people who don’t believe in god…

    • Gloria C. Williamson

      You can cry foul about prayer in school but no-one cry foul when they were talking about same sex union.

      I think we all need to go back to basic (including myself) and put God First.

      • BryanG

        Yea and we then we can go way back to the REAL basics where we burnt witches and thought the world was flat… Yea… the good old days….

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    • Christine

      No one is saying that all children or teachers have to pray in school, what ever the
      religion. But what makes it someone else right to tell my child that he can’t pray if that is what he wants to do!!! My child believes in the Lord and that his a choice that is his to make!!! No one should call him names or tell him that he is wrong, or “YOU CAN’T PRAY TO YOUR LORD BECAUSE WE DON’T BELIEVE”!!!!!
      This is still a free world as far as I know. (At least for the time being).
      Please don’t try to force your beliefs on my son and my family, Just as we will not force our beliefs on anyone else.
      If you or your children don’t want to pray in school or anywheree else that is your right.
      Just as it is my right and families right to pray anywhere we want, anytime we want.
      I’m not saying rude things or calling anyone names. I’m asking very politely.

    • testplot

      amen to that…. its the aclu that needs to hung by the ying yang till there eyes pop out… when will the people and gov. wake up to the fact that the aclu is a subversive group that under the guise of freedom, they are intent to destroy this country…. they should be shouved down the same rat hole as NPR…

    • Betsy Rambo

      We need to bring prayer back in a big way! A student is FREE NOT to participate and NOT to pray, so why aren’t those who wish to pray, free to do so! Taking God out of everything will mean our demise. I ALWAYS encouraged my daughter to pray before tests – it got her to being a physician assistant today and through a horrificly difficult course of study!

    • Fanny Forbes Franklen

      “The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality” ~ H. L. Mencken

    • James

      If only it were one of the several an Islamic calls to prayer. Then, not only would it be protected, it would be promoted…

    • prhean

      According to the ACLU, atheism is the offical religion of the USA and the only religion that our govenment can recognize or support.

    • Byyhwe

      Our country was founded on Christianity….There should be prayer at every school..Everyone misunderstands separation of church and state…Founding fathers did want Gov’t establishing a Gov’t Ran Religion…Huge tax breaks should be given to home schoolers and the private and christian schools… Get rid of the union worthless teachers..

    • Anton the Hammer

      You know it Brother, but why don’t they?

    • Krista

      For years our society has allowed prayer in school, the association of god thru our national anthem and thru our currency that no one has enough of and has no problem spending. Now we have these ignorant people that have been given the okay to stand outside our brothers and sisters funerals and Protest and they are allowed freedom of speech at the most irrelevant and hardest solem time that a grieving family must endure. Please tell me how that is any darn different than allowing our children to stress there beliefs at relevant or irrelevant times. In todays society everyone needs someone watching over them and protecting us from evil. What is so wrong with a prayer showing that we havent lost site of our faith and beliefs.

    • G. Breedlove

      I support your use of prayer in school. You know you’re doing right when you get opposition. Satan panics when you mess up his handiwork. Go on, pray. Somehow it’s ok to take away a Christian’s rights. I’m with you. Pray!

      • Me

        So, by your logic, Hitler was right in mass murdering 6 million+ Jewish people. Saddam Hussein was right for using chemical weapons on the Kurds in the 80’s. The Islamic terrorists are right for terrorizing the world. Mohammed Adid was right to steal millions of dollars worth of humanitarian aid to starving Somalian people in the 90’s. Stalin was right to imprison millions against their will in his brutal work camps. The Chinese were right to use deadly force at Tienanmen Square against unarmed protesters. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is right to oppress Iranian people the way he does.

        By your logic, Atheists are right because YOU oppose them as a Christian.

        Prayer in school doesn’t help test performance, it’s all about the attitude of the student.



      • Me

        Prayer doesn’t stop a bullet, doesn’t stop the cocaine going in the system or the heroin going in the veins. You are nothing but another lamb; prayer can’t solve everything. Sure you can say that some things are solved/helped through prayer, but it simply is not the answer for everything.

    • happyfeet

      Why not? Our schools would be a lot better along with our students. Prayer works every time if it is apply in the right manner or such as this.

    • K

      Sure, let ’em pray!! And then start TAXING ALL RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS!!

  • more problems

    Little prayer never hurt anyone if anything its very helpful unless you worship the devil

    • Regulas

      Exactly and the commie loving UCLU can kiss my arse.

  • Jessica Morsell

    Sorry, but separation of church and state. My children should never be subjected to organized prayer in a public school. If you want them praying, do it at home or send them to a private school. It is not my tax dollars’ job to pay teachers and administrators to organize prayer. It is not the place of a public school to indoctrinate children, evenly the seemingly willing.

    • Scott

      There is no such thing as seperation of church and state the law states that you can not have a state religion get the facts straight and do some reading. Your ignorance is the basis for our failing schools you must be a proud moron.

      • ryan

        The law actually states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (First Amendment). The Fourteenth Amendment extends this to the state level; i.e., extending the Bill of Rights to protect individuals from all government instead of just states from the federal government. Please learn your Constitution before spouting ignorance. Perhaps you don’t know it because your school spent time praying for knowledge instead of teaching it.

      • dave
      • SpaceAg

        Amen to that!

      • r

        Wouldn’t be applauded by me.

      • Mary

        I don’t think praying before a test constitutes the government making a law establishing a religion. There is no phrase “wall of separation of church and state” in the constitution. Get the facts straight.

      • ryan

        If the state’s code gives state school officials the authority to facilitate prayer, that is a law encouraging religion.

      • Nick

        Scott is right. There is no separation of church and state. Ryan’s post doesn’t finish the amendment …”or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ”

        Let me repeat: “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; “.

        Watch out for spinsters like Ryan

      • ryan

        I omitted it because it was irrelevant. Not holding prayer services does not equate prohibition of the free exercise of religion. If the school disallowed students from praying on their own, that would be prohibition, I would be arguing against that injustice, and I would likewise omit the part of the Amendment which I included here because of its irrelevance.

      • Chris

        Ryan, the law actually means that Congress has no right to make a law that permits or allows religion. Such as, Congress can’t make a law stating that the new national religion is Christianity, etc (hence the world, establishment, as in creating or imposing of something). What you are missing, however, is that a school allowing a prayer to take place before a test does not constitute a “law” that has been passed by the federal government or the state government concerning religion. In fact, if there were a law that prohibited prayer in school then that would fall against the first amendment. That law would be affecting establishment of religion. Stop putting your liberal twist on everything that you read.

      • Nick

        But prohibiting students from praying before a test is prohibition of the free exercise of religion.

        Nobody is forced to join in on this prayer. More so, is it the teacher who is doing the prayer? I don’t think all the students are being called to join in on the “Our Father”

      • Chris

        Why is the phrase ”or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ” irrelevant? It appears to me that this is exactly what the issue is. How can you omit something that has total relevance just because “you” decide that it’s irrelevant. So what if I decide that the part about having “equal, unalienable rights” is irrelevant? What happens then?

      • ryan

        Christ: Schools are given authority by the state code, which is given authority by the law (state constitution). States cannot escape ultimate responsibility for the actions of public employees simply because of the bureaucratic system. A worker who is given authority by the state code which is given authority by the state constitution is beholden to the LAW.
        And yes, the original intention of the First Amendment is quite different from what it is today. But the Fourteenth Amendment extended the Bill of Rights to the state level, meaning no government on any level can encourage religion.

        Nick: There is a difference between not holding a prayer and not allowing prayer. Students can pray on their own, or even band together to organize prayer themselves. But the school cannot organize such an event. That doesn’t mean they should ban prayer.

        And since the article states the school itself holds the prayer, I assume it means the school is facilitating prayer.

      • ryan

        Christ, it is irrelevant because this school is not prohibiting the free exercise of religion, nor would it be if it did not facilitate this prayer. The issue is that it is encouraging religion, not banning it. Should I quote the entire Bill of Rights, even though soldiers are not being quartered in students’ houses?

        The protection of a prohibition on religion is equally important; I’m not saying it’s not. But it just isn’t happening here, so there’s no need to mention it.

      • ryan

        I just realized I keep calling you Christ. Hah.

      • Carol

        Ryan, the law says that the government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion OR prohibiting the free exercise of it – NO LAW, for or against religion. The government has NO SAY regarding religion. The banning of religion in schools is a relatively new thing. Schools opened in prayer, participated in prayer, and promoted prayer AND religion, ie: the worship and service of and to the Creator God, Who our government officials publicly appealed to before and during their government sessions, holding church services in the capitol rotunda and capitol office buildings for years. Check your history. These facts give evidence of the founders’ intents when they included this in the Constitution, which was that no particular branch of Christianity: Baptist, Protestant, Catholic, etc., would be promoted by government.

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      • BryanG

        Yea!! that the way you get your point across use caps ….

    • Bobbie Campbell

      I will pray for you and your kids, Jessica

    • Jeremy

      This is crazy. “Subjected?” Do you pray with them at home then?

      Glad to see some sense is returning at least to this school. Seperation of church and state is becoming the matra for removing God from everything.

      Have your daughter step out if you don’t want her “subjected’ to prayer. Oh the thought of it…such trauma.

      • ryan

        No one is trying to stop you from paying. We’re trying to stop the state from telling people it’s time to pray. There’s a big difference.

        You’re still free to pray to whomever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want.

      • ryan

        I wonder how you would feel if your kids were encouraged to pray to Allah. If not “subjected,” what term would you use?

      • AJsDaddie

        The kids aren’t being encouraged to pray to anyone. They are allowed, if they choose, to pray to the God of their choosing. As far as I’m concerned, a moment of silent prayer should be allowed at any time and any place. Those who wish not to participate are free to not do so, but they cannot complain about the actions of others.

        Again, PC has become a club by which tiny minorities attack and attempt to control the majority. It needs to stop, and prayer in school is a good place to start.

      • ryan

        Then atheists and agnostics and deists (and so on) are encouraged to pray to…whom exactly?

        Some people choose no religion over religion, or religion without devotion to an active god. It’s still encouraging religion.

        Atheism and the like do complicate things for others, but few atheists are atheist out of spite of you.

      • AJsDaddie

        Atheists are free to refrain from praying. They can meditate, or just sit there for all I care. But they are NOT allowed to stop others from exercising their Constitutionally guaranteed right to religious freedom.

    • OShea

      I love the mantra that people have. Its ok to encourage the worship of nothing however worshipping something/someone is bad.

      Its the pure narcissism that “I” am the end all greatest thing this world has ever seen. Any detraction from my individual greatness is an assault on my liberties.

      lol… I guess a growing 45% drop-out rate is what people want… As long as their civil liberties arent infringed on. Give people the freedom to fail and give others the freedom to succeed. Even though all “people” are created equal we do not all work equally hard to reach our goals. Therefor 10% will rule the 90%. gg Liberals**

      • ryan

        How is silence on an issue encouragement of worship in nothing? My elementary school never told me what to buy at the grocery store. Was it secretly encouraging me to starve to death?

        Go to the grocery for food for the stomach, the schools for food for the mind, the church for food for the soul. Everything has its place. I certainly don’t go to church to learn biology.

    • Mike

      where does it separation from church and state?

      • Joe

        The same place your learned English grammar.

      • ryan

        The First Amendment prohibits the federal legislature (Congress) from encouraging or discouraging religion. The Fourteenth Amendment extends the Bill of Rights to protect individual citizens from their state and local governments.

      • Dave

        But it’s okay if it’s Islam.

        WELLESLEY — This affluent suburb found itself cast squarely into the culture wars yesterday, as controversy engulfed school officials over a field trip to a Boston mosque where several sixth-grade pupils were videotaped kneeling during a prayer service.

        As blogs and talk radio programs raged over whether the school should have allowed the trip, the mosque issued a statement saying there was no attempt to coerce the children and accusing critics of fear-mongering. The influential American Jewish Committee called for tighter guidelines for educational trips to religious settings, and First Amendment advocates said such outings ominously blur the divide between church and state.

      • ryan

        Just because someone somewhere else does the same thing for a different religion doesn’t mean I’ll change my tune. Any religion supported by any government is wrong. I’d be arguing the same if this school was doing Buddhist prayer.

      • AJsDaddie

        Ryan: “The First Amendment prohibits the federal legislature (Congress) from encouraging or discouraging religion.”

        The Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,”

        Nothing here about “encourage” or “discourage”. It’s very clear: Congress cannot tell you whether or not to pray, nor can they tell you which God to pray to. That’s it.

        Anyboyd can pray anytime , anywhere, and the government is absolutely free to provide opportunities for people to do so, as long as they don’t tell them they have to pray, or who they have to pray to.

        The tide of PC must be turned. The ACLU must be stopped. Sanity must prevail.

      • ryan

        I’ve already explained this, but I will do it once more.

        The teachers are employees of the school.
        The school is given authority by the state law.
        The Fourteenth Amendment extends the First Amendment to the state level.
        The First Amendment says no law may respect an establishment of religion.

        The line of thinking is pretty clear, in my opinion.

      • JasonH99

        Ryan – what “law” was created by the state with respect to this? They are just allowing them time to pray if they wish.

      • ryan

        No, they are telling them it’s time to pray and allowing students to not participate (I assume this last bit is true).

      • tubaman

        i can tell by your grammar,you were educated in a America

    • NOVANole

      Since when is prayer a form of indoctrination? I seriously doubt your hard-earned taxdollars cost a dime to “organize” a prayer read over a loudspeaker or in a classroom.

      What are you afraid of? God actually answering a prayer and kids getting higher test scores? I don’t see anyithng wrong with that. Time well spent.

      • ryan

        If someone is irreligious, encouraging him to be religious where it is not your place to do so is definitively indoctrination.

        But some Christians think it is their place to convert the world (like Muslims, apparently), so they never understand the term “not your place.”

      • MaryL


      • ryan

        From Webster:

        “to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle ”

        If a school encourages a religious point of view, it is imbuing in students principles of faith.

        Before you respond, please note that remaining silent on the issue of religion is not the same as arguing against it. Remaining silent is neutrality–much preferred to indoctrination.

      • AJsDaddie

        Nobody is “encouraged” to do anything. If you are religious, you can pray. If you are not, you can choose not to pray.

    • MarkS1

      “It is not the place of a public school to indoctrinate children”

      And you said this with a straight face?

      • MaryL

        Bravo! Unfortunately large number of parents are ignorants that they have not realized what’s being taught, read the school’s textbooks and maybe I pray maybe it will open your eyes of “a year round indoctrination.”

    • Citizen Authority

      First, do you and others with a like mind realize that there is no such thing as “separation of Church and State?” Go look at the Article of the First (1st Amendment) and see if the words say separation. The Founders were wise to not have a “State” religion imposed upon the citizenry but never intended to have prayer out of school! You’d be hard pressed to defend the logic. In fact, this concept has been introduced by the far left radical “God” hating court actions and taught to a gullible citizenry!

      On the other hand, I would agree that prayer can be done at home to prepare for a test asking for the blessing of God to help in the testing. Prayer should be the parents teaching their children to worship in privacy as much as possible.

      • ryan

        You’re wrong. Fourteenth Amendment prohibits state and local governments from encouraging any religion.

        So while the Constitution never says the actual phrase “separation of church and state,” it implicitly means it.

      • Derek

        Ryan? The Fourteenth Amendment? You mean the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution? You mean the one that was ratified on January 23, 1964? That one? It says that? Could you please explain where in the following text it says that?

        “1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

        2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”


      • ryan

        The Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868 and includes the due process clause.

    • Ackston

      Ah, but indoctrinating your children is exactly what your public school is currently occupied with. They are relentlessly indoctrinating your kids in the leftist/ Marxist/secular theology of “Progressivism”.

      • ryan

        So that makes indoctrination of a different sort okay? Nice logic.

      • MaryL

        Oh Ryan you are a product of a public school with your kind response, please oh plese define to me indoctrination and why should it be used in this situation?

      • ryan

        From Webster:

        “to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle ”

        If a school encourages a religious point of view, it is imbuing in students principles of faith.

        Before you respond, please note that remaining silent on the issue of religion is not the same as arguing against it. Remaining silent is neutrality–much preferred to indoctrination.

      • Ackston

        Ryan, you will notice that I never said indoctrination was acceptable and it’s illogical to conclude such a thing from my statement. Thanks for paying attention I don’t accept your implied premise that prayer in school is indoctrination however.

    • Gabriel

      I’ll bet you don’t concern yourself with their political indoctrination — which may not be taking place in this school, but perhaps does in the school your children attend — But hey, who notices? You won’t see an ACLU lawsuit over that or a cry of “Separation of Politics and State” unless it becomes evident that the political indoctrination can be construed as conservative instead of communist. We know how this works.

    • Betty

      Bet you don’t gripe about your government provided breakfasts and lunches do you?

    • Laney D. Gulotta

      I once disagreed with the separation of chuch and state as regarding prayer in schools. However, I now agree simply because I would only want Christian prayer and no other. I would rather have no prayer than have muslim, islam, or anything other than Christian. My children, any child, can pray silently which is just as powerful as ‘group prayer”.

      • Paul H

        Right on Man! This is a CHRISTIAN country, founded on CHRISTIAN principals, and I too am offended that in the name of PC, they are putting Christ back on the cross in favor of the evilness of islam. This country is indeed doomed….

    • Catholic and Proud

      The public school system is full of indoctrination, not religious but political. Many people with no children are using their tax dollars to teach your kid…get over it….there law say no state sponsored religion, not the separation of Church and State. God knows these kids need all the help they can get sincee they don’t get it from parents like Jessica Morsell.

    • Jon

      “Indoctrinate”? Way to latch on to a buzz word! Feel like you contributed? Nice warm ‘n’ fuzzy feeling? What people shouldn’t be subjected to is the “woe-is-me, those religious types are attacking ME!” BS you peddle 24/7. So, please, next time you have a thought (of any kind, not just about religion) do yourself and the public at large a favor, and LET IT GO. God Bless!

    • Peter 1 vv 3-5

      Wrong. Separation of church and state does not limit or negate prayer in school. It limits government sponsored religion. Any and every student, teacher, parent, concerned citizen has the absolute right to pray anywhere and any time they so desire. We have the right to assemble and we have the right to practice our faith. We are not a dictatorship (yet). If it offends you, you do not have to participate. It is not the indoctrination of children, but children and adults freely practicing their faith. A right that is guaranteed by the Constitution and the separation of church and state. These are some of the freedoms that make America so great (or used to before we let others tell us otherwise).

      • ryan

        True, but the school cannot facilitate such a prayer. Students have to come together on their own to do it.

      • JoeD

        Is there anything you DON’T KNOW, Ryan? Looks like you’ve got way too much time on your hands there in mama’s basement.

      • ryan

        you mad?

    • Jim

      You’re right Jessica. We gotta be so careful these days. The next thing they’ll be doing is say the Pledge of Allegiance, and studying WWII.

    • liberals are idiots

      Jessica, you are clearly an uninformed and uneducated – or “mis”-educated. There is no such thing as “separation of church and state in the Constitution”. You liberals think you know so much more than the rest of us peasants. The Constitution prohibits the establishment of a religion by the government … as in the old Church of England, and in the days where it was law that people worship God in one religious form over another. Saying prayers in school is NOT the establishment of a religion. And as for indoctrinating kids, that’s all schools do these days … only the it’s the religion of environmentalism and leftism.

    • Dan

      First, understand what the intent of separation of church and state really meant. Summarized – it meant, as was the case in England, that the government was not to dictate to the church was it was allowed do to “the church of England” ring any bells?
      Second, I too pay taxes and would like to have my child pray, what makes your way or right any better than mine, it doesn’t!
      Third, as long as it is student initiated they can to it!
      Fourth, are you serious? Let’s see, lord forbid we should post the 10 Commands in the schools, “thou shall not steal”, thou shall not kill”, “thou shall not lie”, heck, what we do if the kids actually folllowed some of these rules!
      Looking at where are current generation has gone……could it really hurt any? I think NOT!

    • Gummint Skooler

      Well, Jessica, what do you think the schools are doing with your children from the time they arrive each day until the moment they finish their homework?

      Did you say, “indoctrination”? That’s right. You have turned your children over to professionals who train children for a living.

      You have abdicated to the state your God-commanded responsibility to train your own children. Are they indoctrinated in the ways of the government? Of course they are. And you’re the one who wants it that way.

      And now you complain about your own sorry choice?

      Sorry, not buying today.

    • jimmy

      its time you atheists and liberals just shut up. the majority of americans want prayer in schools and dont care if you get offended. these are not prayers to allah but the true God

      • tdog

        You sound like an American version of the Taliban, you need to wake up sir, your what’s wrong with the world these days not us non Christians

    • Red Mann

      Hey idiot. I guess it’s OK for our schools to force students to sing to and about that other idiot Obama, right?

    • Stephen Bruce

      Jessica, I remind you, “separation of church and state” is NOT in the Constitution – it was never expressed this way and was forced upon us by an unconstitutional liberal activist court. I suggest you read the Constitution.

    • Jim Black

      Jessica, Can you show where the founders would have believed that the first amendment should ban prayer from public institutions?

      Stop believing those spiritual bah-humbuggers at the ACLU. Better, pray for them.

    • hannah

      Oh the horror! You obviously have no problem of them being subjected to socialism. You know what, it is not my tax dollars’ job to pay teachers to protest either.

    • Original Intent

      Jessica, despite the comments from these morons, you are spot on.

      No, “separation of church and state” is not in the 1st Amendment. It was taken from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. Jefferson, likely an atheist, but certainly a deist, was absolute in his support of keeping religion of out of public sphere, first introducing the idea in the VA Constitution. The key part of the 1st amendment in this case is “make no law respecting an establishment of religion”. Which, for those challenged in the area of literacy (most of the commenting crowd here), is another way of saying, “separation of church and state”.

      Leave your superstitious, Bronze Age philosophies to yourselves and keep them out of our public schools. Prayer is the last thing we need in schools. What is needed is for parents to take an interest in their children.

      • Dan

        LOL…..”Prayer is the last thing we need in schools. What is needed is for parents to take an interest in their children.” really, and how is that been going?

        Perhaps what is needed, is prayer for parents tro take an interest in their children.

      • Original Intent

        Though I don’t think prayers would help, Dan, I would be open to the idea. Well, so long as you don’t try to force my kids to join the superstitious ritual.

      • Dan

        I don’t believe in forcing anyone to do anything they don’t want to (it’s a choice), just don’t force my kid NOT TO pray if they so choose to.
        “superstitious ritual” – that’s a matter of opinion, yours. For anyone that has never prayed. open or read the bible in it’s entirety, that’s just plain ignorance.

      • Gary

        “[My views on Christianity] are the result of a life of inquiry & reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other.”
        — Thomas Jefferson
        (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
        Source: letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Apr. 21, 1803


      Let’s see – you don’t believe it is the job of YOUR tax dollars to pay teachers (etc) to conduct orgaized prayers in school and you feel those who want their kids to pray should pay for private school? You do understand we also pay tax dollars for the schools? If we have to use private schools or homeschool ,etc. then OUR tax dollars should be returned to us, since we are not using YOUR schools. Without OUR tax dollars, your barely above water schools would be more of a failure than they already are. Why should WE pay to educate YOUR children, or to have OUR children indoctrinated with the religion of Humanism or turned into pagans?

      • Original Intent

        Muslims pay taxes too, not to mention Satanists. Shall we institute organized Satan worshiping as well?

        I do agree, you should not pay the same taxes for public schools if your child goes to private schools. In the same vein, people without any children shouldn’t pay any form of school taxes either.

      • John Manuola

        Everyone is missing the very important fact here that THE KIDS WERE NO PART OF THE PRAYER TIME. They were simply being PRAYED FOR. The offensive element to this issue…to those in the ACLU…is that the teachers were coming together to pray. And frankly, I think teachers are Americans too and have a right to freely assemble and a right to freely exercise their religion.

    • phranq

      Be real Jessica. You don’t think your children are being indoctrinated already? They are taught what liberals think are moral and acceptable lifestyles, they are taught what liberals think are and moral and acceptable behaviors, they are even taught what liberals think are moral and acceptable thoughts. Finally, they are taught that there is no place for God in their school. This is the real indoctrination that is taking place.

      • Original Intent

        I was “indoctrinated” in public schools all my life. Despite your claims of liberal bias in these schools, I am a staunch conservative. Much more so than the posers here. I actually believe in the Constitution, even if it doesn’t support my personal beliefs.

      • phranq

        @Original. I’m glad God blessed you with the power to overcome.

      • Original Intent

        God didn’t bless me with anything. Let’s reason for a moment that God exists and does take an interest in our individual lives. Not only is he interested, but he intervenes, or “blesses” as you would say. If that’s the case, you must accept that God gives children terrible diseases from birth or has a hand in causing natural disasters. Not only that, but since no one knows what God thinks, you must accept that he may even enjoy blessing us with such tragedies.

    • bigtimeliberal

      this has nothing to do with seperation of church and state. people like you and the aclu and liberal judges have stretched and misformed this part of the constition total as to what its original meaning was. if you sneeze in school and someone says GOD bless you the aclu comes with guns blazing.

    • David

      Please read the constitution. No where does it mention separation of church and State. The 1st amendment states that Congress Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or Prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
      It is the courts that have basterdize the Constitution. Now, if anyone was forced to pray you may have a point, but the ACLU doesn’t want to give people the choice to pray or not.

    • Mitch

      There is no such thing as separation of church and state. Your kind indoctrinate children in acceptance of deviant sexual behavior, far left secularlism and hatered for anyone that does not abide by yiour twisted little perversions. All of those things are okay but, don’t you dare pray for knowledge.

    • Greg

      I find it interesting that my child, the son of a Christian, can be indoctrinated with secular humanism and communism at school, and my tax dollars, with out my consent, can be spent on aborting the next generation, also without my consent, and you are worried that praying for better test scores will destroy your child? Where do your rights supersede that of others? You must be really special to be allowed to trample a large group of other peoples rights to demand your own rights! Our society demands give and take.

    • Richard

      Jessica– maybe you should home school your kids–that way they would not have to pray. my tax dollars are paying for your kids to go to school also. how often do you take your kids to church.. I bet never. i feel sorry for your kids because you are depriving them the opportunity to receive life eternal. hopefully as they grow older they will realize this.

    • ConanTheRepublican

      Sieg Heil, right?

    • Rick

      So Jessica You may have a point and lets say thats true. Tell me where I should be forced to pay for healthcare if I don,t want it. Or maybe ILLEGAL immigrants housing, or out of state tuition for illegals. Why should muslims in New York get to shut public streets down or block hallways to bathrooms because they are allowd to prayi and no one say’s anything, I bet you won,t disagree with that. and to get back to the point no one can make anyone pray or believe in any specific religious beliefs that they don’t want to believe in. I am simply stating that it is not wrong to allow a time for voluntary prayer in any educational system. We allow time in schools that are based on theories and then call it science. why is it wrong to teach about every religion around the world and be tolorant. However when anything about christianity is taught . WE SCREAM VIOLATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. maybe we all need to search our own souls and explain why. Why is it that todays science teaches you how man has evolved. but it can’t explain human feelings like love or trust or caring for others or any part that drives the human spirit. Mans science has no answers for that.

    • skynyrt

      And my children should not have to be subjected to liberal viewpoints that I strongly disagree with. My do not feel like my tax dollars should be used for such.

    • Larry

      And exactlty where in The Constitution is “separation of church and state” mentioned Jessica? Perhaps you should be in school with your kids. And pay attention this time around

    • Wayne

      Oh, but my poor Jessica, your children ARE being indotrinated, in the government indoctrination center. They learn all kinds of neet stuff, like how having abortions, being gay or transexual, and being rebellious to parents is good and OK. Heaven (excuse the pun) forbid that they should acknowledge God almighty and say a prayer before a test.. it may warp their little minds!

    • Pat

      Jessica, Does that also apply to schools that have teachers singing songs to Obama? Go back and read what seperation of church and state ACTUALLY means. May GOD bless you!

    • JoeD

      Ryan, you’re all over the place with your opinions, yack, yack….straightening everyone else out. Give it a rest and get a damn job, for heavens sake.

      • ryan

        I have a job and go to school full time. I don’t have any weekends, actually. It kind of sucks.

    • programmed

      huh but it’s OK for your public school to indoctrinate my child with Gay is OK, and Save the Whales, and how it’s OK to be racist and vote for a black guy for Presdient eventhough he’s not qualified because it will be some imagined milestone for some dope smoking hippy shangri la world view, and unions are great and cars are evil and tolerance for teenage sex because it’s not up to your parents to raise you, and Christianity is hateful so we’ll just go ahead an have Christmas without it etc. etc. etc. just checking to make sure you aren’t a hypcorite or anything.

    • Phid

      “It is not the place of a public school to indoctrinate children, evenly the seemingly willing.”

      Your children will likely be “indoctrinated” by liberal beliefs in the public school system regardless. Do you have as harsh of a reaction toward that kind of “leftist evangelizing”?

    • William C.

      There is no constitutional separation of church and state.

    • Chris G.

      Sorry Jessica, but there’s no clause about church/state separation in the Constitution. I suggest you get your facts straight.

    • Shannon_Atlanta

      jESSICA, I hate to say this, but there is no seperation of church and state. The constitution does not say that

    • libertyhill patriot

      It seems you’ve been indoctrinated well. Learn the facts and stop pushing our country into the immoral cesspool that America-haters have created. You must be reading the Communist interpretation of the American Constitution. The ACLU is a mainstream America hater outfit.

    • Erin

      Jessica, If it is not the schools job to indoctrinate our children, then I want them to stop telling my child about how she should be eating, watching TV, Drinking only water, that it is okay to learn about Islam but not Christianity, having my child tell me what is right and wrong instead of me teaching her that, and the list can go on and on. I want to schools to let the ones that want to pray, pray to whom ever they pray to, and then teach reading, writing, math, science and history in all aspects not just one groups view of it.

    • John Manuola

      the children were NOT “subjected” to anything as heinous as someone praying to God for their benefit. The kids weren’t there. They were safely left hovering around the bathrooms where they were taking turns talking to the local drug dealer and pedophile.

    • John Manuola

      I have a question for Ryan, who thinks he knows the Constitution so well. If the founding fathers believed that holding a prayer service where free people come of their own free will to exercise their personal religious beliefs should NOT be permitted on government grounds, then why was the largest Sunday church service in Washington D.C. held in the capitol building…all during the first years of this country’s existence? Why did Thomas Jefferson, who penned the “separations of church and stat” phrase to the church in Danbury, attend the services in the Capitol Building often?

      • John Manuola

        Neither history or logic jives with what you are saying, Ryan. The phrase “wall of separation” didn’t even appear in court decision until the 1940s, when FDR had successfully planted sufficient numbers of Progressive justices into the Court to achieve some of his agenda for America.



  • robert

    I bet there is also a prayer service in Alanso’s office before the test: “Lord, please let them pass, it’s not the kid’s fault these teachers suck.” Prayer is just a good way to do nothing and still think you’re helping!

    • Lisa

      “Prayer is just a good way to do nothing and still think you’re helping!”

      Absolutely true. Keep the Woo out of our schools.

      • YRRET


      • joe

        you’re pathetic lisa.

    • saltyforjesus

      Wow, you went to public schools obviously.

    • Frank

      for whosoever shall call upon the Name of the LORD shall be saved, that includes You, Richard. He that Hath the SON hath life, he that hath Not the SON shall not see life but the wrath of GOD ABIDETH on him.. For GOD so loved Richard that HE gave HIS only begotten SON that Richard believing on HIM shall not perish but have everlasting life. That is for You, Richard. Either scoff or believe. Eternal life or eternal death in hell, GOD gave You, Richard, the choice to make. Accept ME or reject ME. What will it be Richard>>>

  • DMR

    Jessica is correct. This is a public school. No one should stop a student from praying but it shouldn’t be sanctioned or obligatory. Students are free to pray individually, to any deity they so choose, but it should not be a public school function. The Constitution is actually very clear about this.

    • bridget

      if they want to pray i think that should be ok as long as their not being forced. Even in private Catholic Schools you were never made to pray, it was always your choice.

    • Dave

      Exactly which constitiution are you referring to?

      • Catholic and Proud

        They are referring the to the one they made up, since the original one no longer suits there needs.

    • Scott

      Read the constitution your comment is ignorant. Nowhere does it say that prayer is not allowed it states that the state cannot create a religion not that you can’t practice one.

    • Steve

      Really, can you point out where in the Constitution is says prayer should not be a public school function?

    • Patricia

      Where exactly does it say that? And do you want to tell me why schools since the beginning of this republic used Bibles if separation of church and state was Constitutionally supported? Why we have the ten commandments and various Bible passages strewn throughout our Capital buildings? Someone’s moral code is going to be taught in schools and the one that replaced Scripture isn’t working.

    • falconbjg

      Really where does the Constitution say this..




    • ProfK

      You’re incorrect. The Constitution does not forbid prayer in public school–or anywhere public. Even Thomas Jefferson supported the use of the Bible and prayer in public school. Liberal judges who do not understand the Constitution have made no prayer in public school clear.

    • Homer


    • Pafrog

      The First Amendment to the country’s Constitution prevents the Federal government from making any “law respecting an establishment of religion”, and guarantees the free exercise of religion. The Supreme Court has interpreted this as preventing the government from having any authority in religion.

      The majority of Americans (76%) identify themselves as Christians. Non-Christian religions (including Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism), collectively make up about 3.9% to 5.5% of the adult population.

      So the constitution supports religion and a vast majority of the citizens of this country beleive in God and prayer.

      Logic dictates people, Wakeup and smell the coffee. Rule by minority dissent is comming to an end.

    • softunderbelly

      “The Constitution is actually very clear on this” Really? Where? Actually.

    • Gabriel

      Do you really think the Colonies that ratified the Constitution would have done so had our present-day interpretation of “Separation of Church and State” deemed into the Constitution been presented to them? If I recall my history, I believe many of the Colonies were religion based, Rhode Island, so I think not.

    • John Manuola

      the irony of such ignorance is that the very schools that you would have us believe should be free of religion have failed to teach you sufficient history so as to realize that our Founding Fathers never would have agreed with that idea. In fact, our Founding Fathers believed deeply in the need to teach the Bible and Christian principles to our children. I can show you where they said such things. if you wish. I can also show you how our Founding Fathers felt about instilling faith into our government and how they never once felt it inappropriate to exercise one’s faith on government property.

  • Nita

    So this has been going on for two years and this is the first anyone’s heard of it being an issue? I’d like some more detail before I have a hissy fit and even if it is true, I seriously doubt it’s hurting anyone. I find the negative and disdainful and inconsiderate posts are by those that disagree with the school’s policy, I wonder if maybe those people need a little prayer.

  • Dina Shahmohammadi

    In the public domain, it should be all or nothing. If you think a prayer service is acceptable, how about your kids participating in a prayer service completely alien to you. Such as a prayer facing Mecca, Hindu incense, how about some peyote smoking prior to test time. Are these the prayers that the middle school is having? If you’re not willing to allow your children exposure to those examples of spirituality, Particularly in a place that my children are mandated to atttend by law….then no services, Christian included, should be allowed.
    Now if you’re willing to share the prayer’s I would go for it.

    • YRRET


      • K. Reux

        And Yrret, this isn’t a question of what an adult might be willing to do as one who can intelligently choose without unnecessary coercion. We are talking about elementary and middle school children. There is a difference.

    • K. Reux

      Have to agree with you, Dina. I am a Christ-follower, however I don’t particularly want my children being coerced into a religious practice they may not understand (e.g., a Hindu prayer, Buddhist mantra, Muslim prayer facing Mecca, prayer to Gaia) and one that I would have a problem with. If I don’t want someone forcing their religious practices upon my child, I certainly shouldn’t force mine on someone else’s. That’s a Christian principle by the way: the golden rule.

      • big time liberal

        k reax. what bible do you read??/ golden rule has nothign to do with anythiong or do you think its actually in the bible.the christian principle is GO INTO ALL THE WORLD BAPTISING THOSE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.

    • jimmy

      this is where you are wrong. americans are christian and a majority. there will be no facing mecca in this country. if they want to live here then accept our God or get out. try reading the constitution and stop trying to twist it.

    • Really?

      Your children are not mandated to attend a public school by law (unless Maryland has outlawed homeschooling and private schools as an option). If you don’t agree with the indoctrination, political agenda, and exposure to moral filth in the public school system, then exercise your freedom to educate your children yourself. My children have never spent a single day in public school and they are much better off for it. They are intelligent, respectful, considerate of others, articulate, creative, and can think for themselves. They have a a strong moral compass and are not swayed by what others think or tell them to think. I wouldn’t describe too many children that way who are a product of today’s public schools.

    • John Manuola

      where in this report did it say that the kids were participating? And where did it say anyone was “compelled” to participate?

  • Iana

    Were the students FORCED to join the prayer? Or was it something that if “you would like to join you can” scenarios?
    I don’t understand how people can be bent up on this. Its prayer. If you believe that it can change things, maybe so. If you’re one who doesn’t believe, then there is no harm in it.
    Do they seriously think, students who participate in this will come out scarred and broken?
    Goodness, get a grip people. What you allow your kids to see on TV is far more damaging than a what they would witness in people praying.

    • K. Reux

      What do we mean by force. When an authority figure says: “We are going to do this together” that is force, even if no punishment is proscribed. Even if the principal says it is voluntary. When my boss suggests I do something and says it is voluntary, I still feel obligated because I know it will affect his view toward me and toward my work.

      Children are much more influenced by this kind of “suggestion”. We really need to think this through.

      • John Manuola

        Goodness, listen to the report…read it. WHERE did it say any child was a part of this prayer?


    Not only should pray be allow in schools, but some of these parent should be praying at home with some of these thugs they send to our public schools.

  • Tim W

    So by your reasoning it’s OK if the school led a Muslim prayer. Because according to you if the Christian children don’t believe there is no harm in it. I swear that is what I hate about many Christians. They feel it’s OK to push their religion but if the shoe was on the other foot they’d be throwing a fit. Religion whether it be Christian, Islam, Hindu or any other has no business organized in a school. If a child wants to pray individually they are free to do so.

    • Frank

      quite a debate going. any light as yet?? let’s start from “in the beginning”. What is Prayer? Simply talking to our Creator, Jehovah GOD. Communicating with HIM and HIM alone. Simple. We are commanded by GOD to PRAY without ceasing, that means all the time, non stop, even while sleeping, even while in the school house being indoctrinated by unbelieving teachers/professors, or even while replying to others about prayer. As GOD said, for whosoever shall CALL (another word for PRAY) upon the NAME of the LORD shall be saved. He also said that For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. FOR GOD SENT NOT HIS SON INTO THE WORLD TO CONDEMN THE WORLD BUT THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED. That leaves it all up to each of YOU. Bellieve and be saved, don’t believe and be damned. However, you are condemned already, those of you who do not believe.. Our Constitution was written by GOD=fearing men and influenced by Baptist preachers, like Roger Williams. Islam IS being taught/preached/practiced in America’s gov’t schools today.

  • Baltimorebob

    Well I say to each there own if the kids ate ok with it then let it be we all need to have are heads checked if we are angry over kids praying what is so wrong with it dont you pray

  • cms827

    Our country was founded on prayer. If you don’t like it feel free to move on. Did anyone ever hear of In “God We Trust”. I agree with the person that said that is what is wrong with kids today they have no faith in anything or anyone. This county is going down the toilet fast.

  • Debbie

    ew, prayer, how could they? stop them before they hurt themselves…………………… but make sure they have access to condoms and other forms of birth control, please!

  • Kay

    Prayer is good…for some people. As for me being atheist, I would not like to hear that my kids were praying in school. It is not right for a public school to brainwash my children. It was said that if the kids didn’t want to participate then they wouldn’t have to…why should my kids be left out on the side lines and stand there feeling like an outcast? This is a public school and it is not allowed. Pray on your own time.

    • Jopmcg

      But it is ok for the school to infringe upon freedom of expression and to brainwash other’s children into thinking that there is no GOD!

    • Ken

      KAY by your reasoning there shouldn’t be any organized sports in school either because your kid sits on the side lines.

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  • Dave Hansen

    $1000 to anyone who can show me the phrase seperation of church and state in the constitution.

    • SickNtired

      Dave, half these people have no clue what the constitution is, just read their posts.

      • Dems are dumb

        And what they do know, are lies, misinterpretations, and just plain hate for the Constitution.

  • Irving

    Let’s hear it for the American Silly Liberties Union!

    • ConanTheRepublican

      How ’bout the American Communist Liberal Union?

  • Sam

    Gee the only complaint is the ACLU, I wonder if the prayers were in Arabic would the ACLU complain?

    • sj

      If a kid wanted to throw down a prayer rug facing the east, it would be OK and protected, and the ACLU would lead the charge, hand in hand with the DOJ.

      • ConanTheRepublican

        Ain’t it the truth?

  • Mac

    “Students are free to pray individually, to any deity they so choose, but it should not be a public school function. The Constitution is actually very clear about this.”
    Where, exactly, does the Constitution say this?

  • Mike Friend

    Prayer is of course not magic. It is not a good luck charm and should not be seen or practised as such. Prayer is speaking to God. And of course no one should be forced to speak to God who does not want to. In fact no one can indeed be forced to do such a thing. And no one can prevent such a thing.
    So there is no need for conflict here. Those who want to pray will and those who do not want to do so will not. As a Christian I would pray. and I would encourage other Christians to pray.
    To those who do not want to pray and do not want prayers….do you want us to pray against you ? Should we pray for Japan ? Or should we pray against Japan ? If prayer is something powerful then which side are you on…if prayer is not powerful then what are you worried about ?

  • brandon


    Separation of Church and state was set up by the founders to make sure there was never one church people had to attend and believe in like there was in Europe. They wanted people to be free to be methodist, quaker, luthern, catholic, etc. The founders had no problem with religion in the public square.

    • Dems are dumb


      The wall of separation, and no kids can pray to our Chrisitian God all day in our American schools shoukd they choose to.

      is lam on the other hand, is not allowed.

  • Joe

    The ACLU needs to keep their communist noses out of this issue. Its of no concern to them commies. If the school wants to offer prayers before the big tests then that’s the schools right to do so. Its a protected right under the constitution.

  • fur real

    Quit praying and get on with the instruction about proper condom use. Oh, and there are only a few months left to plan the “Celebrate the Sodomite” day and the Hip Hop brawl — ehhh — I mean dance.

  • jim

    God bless this country because someone has to. This state has taken five steps backwards. Ther is nothing wrong with what they did.

  • Skip Stutler

    sometimes the ACLU is wrong…just as wrong as the people they go against mostly,,they can be badly wrong when there wrong,,this is one of the instances they need to stay out of it

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